Well it was bound to happen. WOW Mobile founder Randy Jeffers would finally come up for air, and give Jeff Bakerink the go ahead to launch an investigation into George Burton and Matt Davis founders of Zoom Mobile.
Now, if we look across the MLM profession over the last 24 months, we see where company after company have sued each other to protect their brands and LOS (Line of Sponsorship.)
Global Verge is the first MLM Wireless Company to not only sue companies launched by former distributors and officers, they have also set a new precedent of going after specific individuals for fraud, so they can be assured the individuals can’t get away from the judgments.
Well, since Jeff Bakerink, is a successful litigation attorney with over 100 successful verdicts under his belt, this could get very interesting.
It seems there are a few founders of MLM Wireless Companies who are willing to protect their brand at all costs.
We will keep our eyes on things and do our best to keep the information flowing as we receive it.
If you are with WOW Mobile, I would not jump to any other MLM Wireless COmpany right now.
And if you are with Zoom Mobile, I would not stop building your business. Just understand things are going to heat up, and could cause some short term issues, you may have to work through.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy Dooly
Troy all we get is Zoom calling and e-mailing us up all day long talking smack, trying to recruit us.
Its not right that they can have access to the back office downlines see distributors names and contact them with propaganda lies etc, and try to recruit us…even free sign ups they offer!!!.
This needs to stop…is this Zooms Marketing plan? …too many are doing it !
This is a direct copy of a marketing plan, company, and intellectual information…basically corporate theft
I feel if this is how you start a company.. with these ethics …they are asking for bad karma…laws of the universe
WOW Rep,
Sadly, at least in the wireless niche, the ethics we have all lived by in MLM for so long seems to have gone out the window. This is suppose to be a profession where we support each other as fellow MLMers.
There is no doubt, things have been tough at WOW. But, I can tell you, I would rather stick it out with a company going through rough times, than a company which supports kicking people when they are down, and using questionable business practices to launch their business.
Wow (pun not intended) no privacy laws that you can use to shut them down? Seems to me if someone is using info from a back office that has your personal information on it, that it would be a violation of privacy. Send a complaint to various three letter agencies.
I do believe that it is considered against the law to interfere with a business relationship. I am not a lawyer but I think it is called tortuous interference, or something like that. Pretty ballsy if you ask me. I am wondering if they (Zoom) can duplicate Liberty’s business model as well. I wonder if the “Refer-3 and Yours is Free” is protected?
If anyone would do business with someone that has to put down another company to get ahead then I would be glad they left cause shady people should all go down together. Where is the loyalty in people in business today! People need to really take a look in the mirror and check their morals! Honesty and Loyalty will take you vary far in business! I have been in business with my family for 20 years and came to WOW and found truly amazingly great leaders and made terrific money so far and will no doubt triple it once the kinks are out! Every business in America will have problems period and those who stand proud with their faith will truly succeed!
Troy,
This MLM wireless has gotten way out of hand. I would still like for someone to name one MLM wireless company that has even made it more then ten years in the business.
This reminds me of the crazy juice wars that are going on these days. What’s next is the question that I have to ask!?
The wireless industry will NEVER take off as an MLM business model. And further more anyone that thinks it will is a fool.
People should get back to the basics of network marketing. Find a product that you can get passionate about and use everyday; remember when we did not have cell phones, text messaging or email!
I would not touch a MLM wireless company with a ten foot pole. I get pitched on it everyday and the industry as a hole is a joke, end of story.
Bud, I would like to see one MLM wireless company, which is a true wireless company, and not selling products from different niches.
You bring up a great point, let’s just take it to the next level.
One of the saddest things about this whole situation is that some of the Reps who left Liberty became close friends (so I thought) and then with NO Integrity…..solicited and lied to people for the love of money and most of THEM still have they’re back office on with Liberty and I hope that Randy goes after them as well!! They went as far as to tell ME that certain Leaders were leaving us (which wasn’t the truth) to get people (out of Fear) to join them!! The one’s that were told that LIE….,I hope that you wake up and see things for what they really are and come back home!! The cream will ALWAYS rise to the TOP!!
Hey Patti …
These things happen when we are too trusting and vulnerable to “would be” friends. Problem IS that NOT everyone you meet online is your neighbor and best, best friend. By and large, ALOT of people you meet online, via email, social networking sites etc., are ONLY interested in getting YOU into THEIR business and NOT the other way around.
YOU are the one that has to FIND a business YOU love doing and ARE passionate about. DO NOT depend on OTHER people YOU DON’T really know well to guide you and tell you WHAT business (most likely theirs) to become part of. This sort of thing runs rampid across the board in most every company / business out here on the internet.
Realize that people DO NOT change wether they’re poor or they suddenly happen upon BIG MONEY! IF they’re dishonest, disloyal, unethical or greedy BEFORE the fact either way …they CONTINUE to be that way and NOTHING you say or do will make a difference to them! They’re ONLY interest is to build THEIR business and PUT MORE people (such as yourself and some vulnerable inexperienced others) into THEIR business and could care less about you and WHAT YOUR needs are from A to Z in business!
TO FIND the kind of people you’re looking for in business, you MUST REALLY search your heart, KNOW what your boundries are and ALWAYS put “Principles and Character” BEFORE MONEY! Let everyone you meet KNOW that’s WHO you are and WHAT you’re looking for in a business relationship. That simply draws the line and lets OTHERs KNOW you are serious and WON’T go a different direction that may do harm to yourself or others financially, socially or emotionally.
Take the time to go to this site and READ about Ethics 101. Its a SURE WAY to LEARN, MANAGE and GET TO KNOW the character of people BEFORE you call them your FRIEND!
This person has a GREAT Ethics and Business 101 Blog and we would highly recommend his site as a LEARNING tool: http://www.pqinternet.com/internet_marketing/
Wishing YOU Patti ALL the BEST and FUTURE Prosperity!
you talk about integrity what about taking people money month after month and no product and you say reps who left are lying what about the ones that are still in liberty that are still recruiting for wow and there is no product go read your liberty mail
WOW is a Joke,
Forgive me if I seem ignorant to all the facts. But I am pretty sure WOW is a division of Liberty International, and reps have a boat load of products to market each and every month. Everyone has known of the issues with WOW and all the other MLM Wireless companies. Doesn’t mean reps can’t build a business, or sit and wait things out.
this is going no were wow got a hole in ther boat and you are putting gum on it troy wow is a division of liberty its a hub company excuse yea ok we came for wow thats it period so you say build on libertys other product like what
mouthwash
tooth gel
dail up internet
after shave
shampoo
coupon books
yea right these are products in the drug store oh no wait sell 3 and you get shapoo for free
and troy im not attacking you or mr randy but the reps have it
Hey Troy!
You’re speaking up for Wow Mobile! I thought you were supposed to be neutral……..are you??????????
I was a Wow Rep. for 4 months and I can tell you exactly what happened: Wow is taking people’s money,but they don’t deliver any products; nor do they answer calls for 3 months!
Single mothers were trying to scrape together money and get into the best business opportunity on the planet, according to Wow. They are crying to the people who enrolled them because they can not make any money without the product being shipped. How can you sell something when you don’t know when you are going to receive it, or what you are going to get and for how much? Wow Mobile destroyed families relationships,friendships
and everything between and beyond. Randy said in early February,that Sprint will join within a few days, and by end of the month we will have AT&T. Now it is the middle of June and they have nothing, not even T-mobile.You are a MLM watch DOG, and you are suggesting people to stay with Wow ?
Is that the best what you can do…………..Wow Troy that is something.
Who are you really looking after Troy? Before you make an announcement you should really look into reality and not only talk to Randy Jeffers. Just call a few reps out of the blue and see what they have to say and what exactly is happening on the field. Anybody with clear consciences should not promote Wow mobile; or do presentations about something they don’t have. Do you want to know the truth? let me know.
Attila Juhasz,
Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts. You wrote a great post, asking some very important questions. Let me see if I can give some clarity.
1. I am not standing up for WOW Mobile at all. However, I am standing up for distributors in both companies. When one company sues another it gets very messy for distributors on both sides. It sucks, and I am making sure ALL distributors know this could cause some issues. Especially since the Courts across the country have upheld the LOS (Line of Sponsorship) belongs to the original company, which in this case is Liberty International. It will cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. And in the latest case of Amway vs. Woodward, it cost Orrin Woodward close to $45 Million dollars he must pay back to Amway.
2. You were NEVER a WOW rep, you were a Liberty International rep. And since you may not realize the difference, there in lies a major issue for former and current reps.
3. I find the phrase “Single mothers were trying to scrape together money and get into the best business opportunity.” See single mothers who have to scrape together money just to get started, should never join ANY MLM or any other business, where they are going to be taking money used to pay bills, and put food on the table for their children. If you or others are recruiting people like this, then I will question your understanding of the type of people you should be recruiting.
4. Liberty has plenty of other products, and until the phone issue is corrected, why didn’t you market another product?
5. WOW Mobile DID NOT destroy “families relationships, friendships and everything between and beyond.” The person or people who unethically, went preyed on this demographic group are the ones to blame. I can fully understand a single mom getting excited about a business opportunity, but to have someone take advantage of women who are trying to do the best for their children, knowing ANY business comes with a financial risk, and these ladies can’t afford the risk, (based on what you wrote above), then don’t blame WOW, blame yourself if you recruited these ladies or whoever recruited them.
6. I do remember Randy making those statements. When they did to come to pass, why did you stick around? Business contracts with fortune 50 companies takes time, and knowing what they had just gone through with T-Mobile, makes logical sense Randy’s legal team would make sure it never happens again.
until the phones get rolling, why not market the home VoIP service, or something else, and share the business opportunity, making sure folks know the new wireless division is the future, but it is young and going through some major issues?
7. Let’s set the record straight I am NOT a MLM Watchdog. There are two watchdogs, Rod Cook and Len Clements. I’m an advocate for the MLM Profession. Unlike a watchdog, I report on the good, bad and ugly of MLM, helping people to decide based on what we find, if the financial risk of joining a company is worth it on a personal level.
8. My suggestion was NOT to stay with WOW Mobile. My suggestion was, “if you are going to leave WOW Mobile, looking for greener pastures in the MLM Wireless Niche, then stay where you are are, because as of the time of tis writing not one company where someone will not find controversy and issues.
9. ROFLOL… “is this the best I can do.” Well please feel free to give the distributors your suggestion. Lord knows I am not the only voice of reason in this community.
10. Sport, I find it funny, you do not seem to read all the articles surrounding MLM Wireless of you would know exactly where I stand when it comes to ANY and ALL MLM Wireless Companies. Seriously, this is not about what I have written or said. This si about distributors understanding the MLM Wireless Niche is under the control of the Teir 1 carriers, and unless the MLM Wireless Companies understand this issue, then distributors stand to get hurt even more.
11. Let me ask you a question… Why do you make an arbitrary statement like “Before you make an announcement, you should really look into reality and not only talk to Randy Jeffers>” I don’t think you are part of our investigation team, so you really have no clue what we do. And to make such a statement shows your ignorance to how we report. Maby you should take your own advice and take some time to review some of the articles outside of your current situation.
So, I gladly wait for your version of the truth. Please feel free to provide as many facts as you can with valid documentation, so we can investigate.
Hey Troy …GREAT Reply!
On statements 1 thru 11 – AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!
If ONLY people WOULD READ and TRY to UNDERSTAND what’s REALLY GOING ON instead of attempting to BE THEIR OWN WORST reporters! Just because ONE thing happened to ONE person DOES NOT MEAN IT HAPPENED to EVERYONE or in the same way!
FOLKS PLEASE – let’s BE REAL! IF YOU DIDN’T GET IT the 1st time you WATCHED Troy’s video or READ the words TROY POSTED BENEATH his video – GO WATCH IT AGAIN and LISTEN and THEN READ! This IS NOT FUNNY what’s going on and MLM Help Desk IS NOT the National Enquirer!
IF on the other hand folks DO NOT WANT to know the TRUTHS and ONLY want to GET INTO something EYES BLIND OPEN …then BE your own guest because in the end IF NOT INFORMED correctly, ONE MAY FIND themselves in one heck of a PICKLE both financially and credibility wise!
Your kidding right who wants to market toothpast shaving gel from liberty EVERYONE came on for wow mobile im not jumping ship but its jacked up there going to cut off service and when you call tmobile 18003751126 they have no clue what to do atleast there customer service answer the phone and are trying to be helpfull you say market the voip service years ago yea but cable companys got that on lock and until they get the phone shipping time strait and it takes a month to port a number it will be a while
WOW is a Joke,
I’m not sure how many people might want to market toothpaste shaving gel. But I do know the VoIP service is great. And I use the coupon book daily.
We all know WOW has had issues for the last 100 days. However, at least they continue to work on them, and are ready to launch the new PCS Platform.
Cable companies don’t have the market on VoIP. As a matter of fact it is higher through cable. I sure GiConnect for my VoIP and my son uses Liberty International VoIP and both are wonderful services for aound the same cost of $25 per month. About the same ad Vonage.
Attila Juhasz,
FIRST try to understand. TROY is NOT advocating a mass exodus from ANY one company! He’s only advocating that FOR NOW people STICK where they are UNTIL all these WARS of sorts settle out and UNTIL the REAL CROOKS are brought out of the shadows! THIS is NOT the only company where things have BEEN DONE IN SECRET and NOT for the good of the company but for the BENEFIT of just a FEW PEOPLE. THERE ARE by far MORE PEOPLE involved in DIFFERENT situations with companies that have yet to surface completely! GIVE THIS ANOTHER WEEK OR SO and MAYBE there WILL be even MORE NEWS that will STILL be SHAKING this industry!
We think TROY IS giving SOUND and SOLID advice! After ALL is said and done, WHY KEEP ON HOPPING from company to company UNTIL we ALL FIND OUT WHICH ones ARE STILL left standing with INTEGRITY, HONEST LEADERS and ETHICAL business practices?
Attila, If you left Liberty, please stop calling all of the down lines to switch to doom mobile…Just move on…..Its looking like you joined a sinking ship and you cant find a life raft. You never bad mouth Liberty when your where making that 1500.00 a week pay check. I saw them with my own eyes bragging about them showing your down line. But when the waters got rough you bailed on everyone that you recruited and belived in you…Your true colors came out…Yellow that is… If I recall we had a team meeting once and wasnt you the one bad mouthing Doom mobile yea im sure it was you…you only care about you and that is it, I never saw you at any other WoW events so what was your motives from the start? Just to make the weak belive in you and then try to make them follow you, because so many looked to others as leaders and didnt see you as one.
Oh yea enjoy those meeting nights in at the Mansion by the water!!!!!
Troy,
Think back if you will not so many years ago people got into the network marking industry because they wanted to make a few extra dollars.
Some people had the desire to do this full time, and some just wanted to get a discount on a product or service that the really like. Back then all we really had as marketers was good old Ma Bell and maybe a fax machine. Oh yes the good old days.
Times have changed I guess, and now we have email, cell phones, text messaging, and a host of other things we really do not need, the internet has done more harm to the industry that you and I both love then it will ever do good. Remember when you actually called your downline instead of sending them a text or an auto responder email message?
This is still the greatest industry in the world, I love network marketing, however I think people need to get back to the basics of how this industry was built. The internet, cell phone, and autoresponers, and all the other things I’m forgetting are just tools! I will state again that I would not touch a MLM wireless plan with a ten foot pole. SO DON’T ASK!
Keep up the great work Troy!
Bud Henline,
I sure remember those days of old! I still believe those people still exist and for those distributors who are willing to study how to build a MLM business the right way, they will not only find those type of people, they will also find those type of companies.
There is so much hype around certain segments of the profession these days. Yet, each week I run a cross a new company who is focused on getting things done right. And every now and then a CEO like BY Boreyko comes along, who is willing to tweak the compensation plan to make it easier for the average distributors to earn a few hundred dollars a month.
Bud, thank you for sharing your thoughts and insight. And I agree if people get back to the basics they will win and win big.
Hey Bud,
We also remember those “days of old” when marketing and direct sales was about calling your friends and knocking on neighbors doors and beyond! Those were the days when a “marketing” job WAS a job and not all this internet, emailing, instant messenging, chat rooms and the like.
There WERE people back then that accompished many things and some who made millions but …THEY did it the right way and without all these so called “tools” we have presently!
Back then it wasn’t about who was whose friend online or about joining something beneath the next big person! It was about BUILDING YOUR OWN business and that’s STILL the way it should be today but unfortunately it’s not. Today it’s about building everyone else’s business and being patient while waiting for something to happen.
NOT all is “doom and gloom” though. Thanks to the internet and especially for those of us that are disabled and can’t leave our homes and go “door knocking”. The internet offers a good solution for many people with disabilities, health conditions etc., to be able to supplement and earn income from home. That’s a good thing, don’t you think?
All in all the problem we see today is too many people new to marketing that aren’t willing to learn but want someone else to do the work for them! They join beneath the next “biggie” and sit on their hands and wait and wait until something happens which it generally and usually never does. Then they quit stating the business was no good, no one would help them or …”I never made a dime” syndrome – that’s because they never told anyone about their business for fear of talking to people in person and by phone or some other excuse.
These days it takes HARD work, LONG hours, COMMITTMENT and DEDICATION to grow and build a business (just like we all did back then) and …one MUST do it ON THEIR OWN and learn NOT to depend on anyone else! THEY should’ve been working the business back when we all were. Then maybe, today there would be even MORE appreciation of HOW marketing got it’s GOOD name instead of all the bad names being given marketing today by those who have yet to have the experiences we all did!
ACN has been the longest MLM Telecom company around on the planet and it’s global at the same time and they do have a very good compensation model but the high joining fee to become a rep has to be changed because not everyone can afford $495 straight away.
Mike,
ACN is a solid company with a great track record for the most part. However, they seem to be moving into energy as of late. Does this mean they are moving away from telecommunication, or just adding a new income stream?
We will be doing a review on them in the next month.
The Gas & Electricity is going to be a new income stream, they are not moving away from telecommunications…..it’s just additional service they will be providing customers.
Troy
Understand this is ACN’s second trip back into to the energy market. Last time, the energy market was in it’s infancy, and ACN got in a little hot water the Califorina public utility commission with the burnt grid fisaco back in 2003. Hopefully they had learned their lesson.
However, ACN they got a big hill to climb. They’re competing not only with companies such as Ignite, Ambit, and Zurvita/MX Energy, but with new companies in the works like 5linx and a new competitor; Monmentis with a backing of Canadian energy marketing giant called Just Energy.
This is going to get interesting.
This is a major RED FLAG! I am bailing ship!
NEWSFLASH!
This is a special announcement for EVERYONE who has a WOW MOBILE Service Plan through T-Mobile. As you may know, T-Mobile suspended over 1040 lines recently without our authorization or prior knowledge for users who they say had made an international call to Canada or Mexico. We have put forth every effort to get those lines restored as well as protect ALL currently active lines. Unfortunately, the situation has worsened, due to our notice to them of pending litigation and it has come to our attention that T-Mobile can suspend ANY or ALL lines at any time. We have done everything in our power to keep that from happening but at this point are unable to prevent it if that is their course of action.
We understand the importance of having the option to keep your phone number and therefore HAVE GRANTED FULL AUTHORIZATION FOR THE RELEASE OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER THROUGH A FORMAL WRITTEN NOTIFICATION TO T-MOBILE. If it is important for you to not lose the phone number on your WOW Mobile Service plan through T-Mobile, you can go into a T-Mobile store or kiosk and request to have your number moved over to T-Mobile or ported over to another carrier. We have asked T-Mobile to flag our accounts with permission to allow this to occur. EVERYONE’S needs are different and how each one handles this may be different as well.
Here is a memo from Jeimy and Sean with some information:
To all concerned,
Thank you all for your continued support. We are making every attempt to help our Independent Representatives keep their WOW mobile number. This procedure has been tested and should work in assisting you to “port out” your number from T-Mobile to the provider of your choice. There are some situations such as International calling suspensions that do not permit any account changes at this time.
Sean and Jeimy
PORT OUT REQUEST INFORMATION: To Port out a Request, Call T-Mobile at 1800-375-1126. Provide WOW mobile number. Provide password (XXXX) Advise rep. to view first paragraph of “Special Instructions”. Request account number associated with your phone number. Next, start service with another provider ie. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon etc. Call provider of your choice let them know you would like to port your number from T-Mobile to which ever provider you choose. You will need to provide the T-Mobile account number, your WOW mobile number and the password (XXXX). Some providers may require a credit check to activate service. Prepaid and month to month services often do not require a credit check for approval. AT&T may request the following info in order to port your number: PO Box 438 Woodburn, OR 97071 and/or the last four digits of the tax ID (XXXX)
Something is just fishy here! I bailed on my FREE cellular service so I could keep my number Troy. I think I can follow another rabbit. This vehicle for my prosperity is not for me. Thank you for being a neutral person even though you have a WOW mobile demo phone. Do you think we can get a refund for non-performance?
God Bless America
Biggin!
This has been expected since Liberty made it clear negotiations were over and litigation will began. I do appreciate the fact, WOW is publicly making it clear they are giving up the right to ALL phone numbers. This will allow reps to keep T-Mobile and stop T-Mobile from playing games with the distributors lives, who are just innocent players in this situation.
This proves my concern for months, that Tier 1 providers have the ultimate control over the success or failure of wireless in MLM. I pray that all other MLM Wireless Companies will have good telecommunication attorneys look over their agreements before launching. See, I do not think the success or failure of MLM Wireless raises or falls on the licenses of a company, as much as it does on the type of long-term agreements put in place to protect the distributors from these such actions.
Biggin, I respect your decision to look for a new vehicle. There are times when we know in our heart, we have played our hand in a game as far as we can. I am glad you realize it is time for you to cash in your remaining chips and find a new game, where the odds are stacked in your favor.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
p.s. I do not think a refund for non-performance will happen. But a class action lawsuit against T-Mobile as the ultimate controller may be in order.
Biggin,
I joined WOW mobile April 7, 2010. On May 7, 2010 when Wow processed the auto ship charges to my credit card I was shocked that they charged my card without delivering a product. To add insult to injury my sponsor was not taking my calls, as a matter of fact after signing up he told me if I need anything to contact him via email only or email cs@liberty. (not the kinda sponsor you want to sign up under) ZEB, DON’T WORRY I WILL NOT MENTION ANY NAMES, After many attempts i finally got through via online chat customer service at WOW corporate office. I requested a refund, the CSR mentioned the product will shipped and they do not offer refunds. I waited another week then gathered the contact information for the Attorney General for the state of Florida and with that information contacted WOW mobile and told them that if they didn’t process a refund i was going to file a formal complaint with the Attorney General. I was amazed, WOW MOBILE PROCESSED MY REFUND IN FULL. I’ll have take my hat off for them for that.
Bottom line if they do not deliver the product promised, they will honor a refund request.
Troy, thank you for this forum.
Joe,
Quick question for clarity. You mention that on “May 7th, 2010 WOW charged your card, without delivering product.” Were any of the charges, charged to your card, specifically for wireless services? If so can you send me offline a copy (please blackout your credit card number and other charges) of your credit card bill to TroyDooly@MLMHelpDesk.com. If WOW has charged folks for monthly wireless services during the time when phones were not delivered, and wireless service was not available because reps and/or customers did not have any phones to use, then I want to see about getting folks refunds, or at least credit for months to come.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Troy,
To clarify, the chargeson May 7th were for the auto ship order for:
”Personal Gateway” Website – Monthly Subscription $29.95
“Advanced” Pack, Distributor fee, 4/710 purchase $249.00
Android-SIM Card for T-Mobile Monthly Cell Service w/ Unlimited Anytime Calling, Text & Data $24.95
Jo,
Thank you. And have you now been refunded at least the $24.95 for the T-Mobile SIM Card?
Hello Tony,
The charge on my card from Liberty International on May 7, 2010 were for the auto-ship for the web site. $29.95 and not for the wireless service.
Wow Mobile did process a refund for the full amount invested. $249.00 for the initial sign up, $25.00 for the SIM card, and 29.95 for the auto ship.
If you want to help people get money refunded I’m more than willing to assist.
Thanks,
Joe Ragsdale
813-732-1576
Hi Troy ~
In comment to what Attila wrote…..He was recruited INTO Liberty by this single Mom who did scrape $100 to join, prayed about it, and then made thousands of dollars. I know because I am in her upline and she would call me with such gratitude for the help that we have given her to help her business grow. HE has now convinced her to join another company….UNDER HIM…..at $1000.00. If she had to scrape $100 than where did she get 1K? She is new to this industry and has been lied to. I don’t blame her, in fact, I feel badly for her and she was led to believe that 2 of our top leaders had left when they in fact haven’t. I am like you and find the need to get to the truth and called the 2 leaders in question.
So ………….Who is the one that hurt this single Mom? Liberty that paid her thousands of dollars?
I don’t think so!!!!
Patti,
WOW! Now there is some huge insight. Please keep us posted as to the future of all involved.
Thank you Troy for your feedback, what I am going to say is straight forward a complain for zoom mobile, I tried to sing up with zoom mobile like 2 months ago but my credit card did not went trough, so next day i desire that i was not to go ahead and sign up with this company,so what happened, two months later I saw a charge of $24.99 from Zoom Mobile on my bank account statement, that was two months later, which mean they used my information with out my permission.
I call zoom mobile customer support several times and no answer and I even left a masage to the CEO Gorge and no answer. Why I don’t understand is why they charge me an auto ship with out been a rep of zoom!. Any feed back? from any one..I am not a zoom mobile rep due to a lot of red flags.
The company is to young, there is no leader ship, there is only one product and the website domain name was purchase from go-daddy which is OK but I don’t understand why was it purchase for only one year, this makes me think that this is a short term business and that is not what i am looking for, there is a lot of hype telling that 100s of wow people are jumping to zoom, which i don’t believe that.
I am not a part of wow or any other company just FYI an I hope this will help and think twice for some one thinking to join zoom that is just my personal opinion. Now the founder position that cost $1000 to be on that position, in my personal opinion in any mlm and/or any kind of business any position you will get through great effort, that founder position was just any idea of some unethical guy.
This is a very interesting article. I appreciate all the information Troy and keep the information coming.
Hi everyone, I think I can shed some light on the confusion of people saying that Liberty took money but didn’t deliver. The WOW Mobile division became such a magnet that people believed they were joining a company called “WOW Mobile”. Well, as fast as things move in MLM this misconception spread like wild fire until the WOW name dwarfed the Liberty name. The responsibility of the sponsor is a forgotten piece of this puzzle as most new MLMer’s expect the company do pretty much do everything for them. The beauty of MLM is the possiblility of financial freedom thru hard work and duplication. Unfortunately hard work and duplication can go in a number of ways, meaning lies and deception or confusion and laziness or honesty and training. No matter how fast it starts with any method of duplication the only chance you have at longevity will always come down to morals and integrity. I feel bad that some people are hating on the wireless MLM revolution because I believe it can be tamed and than be life changing for thousands of people.
Having said all that, it has never been the intention of Liberty to not deliver a product. That is MLM suicide. In fact there are approximately 12,000 to 15,000 WOW Mobile phones out there in the world and when that Tier one provider was delivering thru the Liberty comp plan, lives were changing with financial blessings!!! I know because it happened to me. I instantly became a residual 6 figure income earner and right on time too as my wife and I were in financial despair and weeks away from losing everything!!
When that GSM Tier One provider stopped providing phones and SIM cards, Liberty was at their mercy and could not provide any new service to the new reps. This is where people believe that they joined WOW Mobile and could not get a product. Liberty’s CEO Randy Jeffers worked tirelessly flying across the country to meet with Executives from that Tier One provider who continously strung him along with empty promises of a quick fix, ie.. it will be done friday, then next week, then next week etc.. Obviously, some people believe that Liberty was taking their money and not delivering on the mobile product. Some would say, ” why keep asking people to join Liberty at that point?” Well, remember, the reps make most of the money in Liberty’s down line (unlike some other companies) and they have over 300 other products to offer in the mean time. We knew that WOW Mobile was not dead only suspended temporarily and that new carriers would come on board shortly to save our butts from the trouble of the first GSM carrier.
Bottom line, I personally watched as many people I loved were saved from financial crisis in their life because of the abundantly generous comp plan that Randy Jeffers built with his own mind and wrote with his own hands. And Troy, when those phones were delivering it was raining buckets of money down on my loved ones. So, just because we hit the wall with that first GSM provider it doesn’t mean were out. It means we have learned from the best teacher in the world “Mr. Experience” And what Mr. Experience taught us will reshape Liberty and WOW Mobile to be ready for round two! Everything is just speculation until time proves you right or wrong. I was there the first time WOW Mobile kicked everybody’s butt and I’ll be there when it happens again.
Thanks Troy for keeping the MLM disributors as your first priority and for having a format like this where people can hear the truth. There are many good companies out there helping people achieve their dreams and by the Christmas season I believe Liberty will once again be one of those companies. Thank God for MLM,
Mike Storms
Troy, I wish you would not report speculations. I wish you would only report facts. I suppose you would not get as many hits on your website then. I want proof Troy, not a bunch of smearing like I have seen on this post by WOW reps. Why did you not report after you got more info. What if this whole thing turns out to be false? What if former WOW reps turned to Zoom simply because they saw a better opportunity? What if they were recruited by their former sponsers? The email above is not proof. Was Cheryl Teel a WOW rep at one time? Was “Tony” in her downline at one time? I do not know one way or the other. I think this whole post hurts both companies until you can provide evidence, which I would love to see. When we do wrong as people we need to own it and repent of it. I just want proof that Zoom has done something wrong. And if they have, I hope they own it and move forward. If WOW is lying about this whole thing, I hope they own it and move on. I see this post and possibly this website as a smear host. I have read the posts above and Zoom has already been condemned before the trial has even started.
IWantFacts,
Excellent comment. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I would like to address a couple of things.
1. What makes you think what I wrote is speculation? Could it be, I wrote in a manner to cause folks to think, knowing exactly what the facts are, and I am waiting to post the officially civil complaint when it is filed with the courts? Personally, I do not see it as speculation. I see it as a way to raise some pretty important questions that ALL reps in the WIRELESS Niche should be asking themselves. Especially if they are truly banking their long term financial future on a specific company. By the way I used the same methods of dedication as a bounty hunter and and a Marine; it sure kept me alive.
2. IWantFacts, did it occur to you that facts change based on new evidence and situations which come to light? As documentation comes available we report. In this article I provided documentation from Liberty’s in-house counsel showing the founders of Zoom were active reps in WOW when they launched the company. This is a violation of their signed Liberty International Agreement. That my friend is a FACT! When a breach of contact takes place, the logical path most companies will take is to do the investigation, decide if there is enough evidence to file either a criminal complaint or civil complaint. And in a future post I am sure we will see which it is.
3. Smearing does suck. But it is not one sided. I have seen plenty of emails coming from Zoom reps doing the same thing. When reps love their company, and feel threatened, they will fight for what they believe in. Thank goodness we still live in a country where this is legal. I think folks can weed through the facts vs fiction, and decide if they are willing to take the calculated risk of joining either company, or even another MLM wireless company.
4. I respectfully disagree about this post or any other “hurting” the companies. the actions of the founders and leaders of the company dictate the past, present and future of these companies. If anything this post will give folks an alternative to the hype they receive from potential uplines who want to always sugar coat the important questions people ask.
5. I have been very clear as to the facts surrounding the launch of Zoom. Now, if you want me to post the Policies and terms from WOW during the time the Zoom founders were active I can do that. However, I feel most folks already have those at their disposal. And you can read the PayPal terms on your own.
6. Here is what should happen. If WOW’s in-house counsel is lying, then Zoom will have their legal counsel file a professional complaint to have him dis-barred as an attorney. I will receive a Cease and Desist from Zoom with their supporting evidence that what WOW stated was 100% false. And of course we will post that also.
7. As for what this website is and is not. It is easy to see you have never taken time to review major of the articles available. And if you take time to read the thousands of comments, you will see how many distributors were able to make informed decisions, using what they find here in the community. Some have joined companies knowing the risk involved and the rewards have been equal to the risk they took. At other times folks decided the risk was not worth the potential lost and went to other companies.
What you decide to believe is the motive is up to you. By the way, tell me exactly what “hits” to the site does for me? I am not selling the site, and we only hit the list once a month with a newsletter. I just don’t get this antiquated excuse you and others seem to give, when you don’t want to just except the fact, someone may be reporting because they don’t want others to go down the wrong road, and then when something happens, start bad mouthing this great profession.
Seriously, take time to read some of the posts outside of your current situation, and then you may come to find this site, and the crew behind it, are not here to smear, but to provide value.
Troy, I have hit your website and done plenty of listening to you in the past for about a year now and have always appreciated your website. The smearing between reps is no excuse for defending your company. Thank you for replying. I replied back to you above thinking you were not going to reply. I still do not see evidence above though. I see a letter from WOW stating that these men violated their policy.
IWantFacts,
I fully understand where you are coming from. Violating the policies is the first fact, presented. Now as more comes to the surface from either side we will report.
What I refuse to do any longer is sit by, waiting for facts from both sides, when something should be said on some issues to notify distributors they could be a potential issue.
What would have happened if someone would have come forward with speculation that Bernie Madoff? Maybe, just maybe billions of average folks hard earned money would not have been lost.
When all we have is a little fact, then subjective dedication must weigh into our reporting.
You my friend are a great asset to this community and I am glad we are disusing this in open forum.
To all you Liberty International people aka WOW Mobile Reps I feel bad for you every week you keep listening to the BS of John Shaw and his Circus side show with Mike Storms telling everybody to hold on just another week!!!! Here are the facts WOW got caught with their pants down they have no clue about the Tellecommunications Industry!!!! Wake up people, Hello??? All WOW mobile was, a Reseller of Retail for T-Mobile!!!! Shame on them!!! I feel bad for all the Reps who were asscociated with them!!! Does anybody remember about the Destiny Days???? Google Mr. Jeffers on that one!!! Oh, thats right, he was cleared of any wrong doing!!! I suppose all you Koolaid drinkers with WOW think Randy is so wonderful that he did nothing wrong back in the early 90′s. Oh by the way, you have no carrier either!!! Still no phone service??? Goodluck with the joke of WOW T.V., I suppose everyone believes you have “Exclusive” rights to that as well!!!! Hello, it’s through Ecostar!!! I could easily purchase that myself!!! Wow is toast so accept that fact!!! How is that PCS carrier working out for them??? Oh, that’s right they were denied!!!! So sorry to hear about that!!! They have great vitamins though!!!
Sara,
With all due respect I have a few questions to ask you personally:
1. What do you mean specifically “wow got caught with their pants down?
2. Why do you state “they have no clue about the telecommunication industry” with the long term back grown both Randy and Jeff have working within the telecommunication industry.
3. Can you show me any company who calls themselves a MLM Wireless company or has a division focused on MLM Wireless, which is anything but a reseller, outside of Lightyear Network Solutions? I’m talking about a federally licensed telecommunication company!
4. I remember the Destiny days and have blogged on them. Do you know the inside story of destiny? Can you tell me specifically how many customers lost money, if any? Have you read any of the court records? Do you know if Randy and Destiny were found not guilty of any crime? Why Google, just read this fully review since last year.
5. Why do you play on the words “exclusive rights” when talking about WOW TV? Of course WOW has the exclusive rights to the name “WOW TV”, the question you should be asking is “does WOW have an exclusive agreement in place for the MLM niche, when it comes to the underlying engine powering WOW TV?” By the way, I challenge you to purchase the engine for WOW TV at the same or less price with all the added features as an individual as WOW will provide it to the reps. If you can I will gladly blog on it.
6. As for the PCS Platform, it sure seemed to work great this weekend!
7. This is the last question. Can you please provide for this community, your business background. How many multi-million dollar business or deals have you put together.
It is easy to point figures when you are not in the middle of running a multi-million dollar business. But, I give you credit you bring up great questions. I sure hope you will answer mine.
Troy,
With all due respect I have a couple of questions for you.
1. You said that the PCS platformed worked this weekend..but how long is that going to last.
2. You asked Sara !! How many multi-million dollar business or deals have you put together. Same can be asked of you? Where is all the multi-million dollar comapnys Mr Jeffers put together? Can you say gone they all tanked. This company might do the same. Mr Jeffers does have Telecommuncation back ground from comapnies that are no longer running or in business..
3. You ask Sara about exclusive rights. Did you know that when Mr Jeffers came up with the idea about doing a prepaid cell phone company he went to T-Mobile ans struck up a deal with them that they gave him the name WOW. WOW is a theme name that T-Mobile uses with their employee clander each month. How do I know this, I went to a T-Mobile store locally in my home town and asked a CS Rep if they knew anything about Wow mobile and they told me the only thing they assoicate WOW with is thier monthly calander. So the name WOW isnt really Mr Jeffers. And I wouldnt be surprized if T-Mobile doesnt sue to get that back. If you dont want to believe me do the reserch like me.
4. You wanted to know from Sara how many customers in Destiny lost money? They all did from the lowest Reps to Actors, Sports players, Destiny was in a lot of different countries with a lot Reps who most of them paid big dollars to be apart of Destiny so to say the Reps lost lots of money. Mr Jeffers himself paid the county of Alameda 23 million dollars and he couldnt keep the company going to he took what was left and fled to Texas. Destiny was found to have been doing a Pyrmid Scheme thats why he had to pay out.
5. Your right about pointing fingers..There is NO one but himself to point fingers at..He must have known ahead of time that T-Mobile was going to pull away from him why wouldnt he let his Reps know right away then to have them continue to sign people up know that he had no new carrier in place and no service. Sounds like a coward to me, but thats just me.
6. Where is Mr Jeffers degrees in telecommunication? Oh thats right he never has been to college he hired people with degrees to run his companies and to do all the reserch for him while he flew around in his privite jet doing motivational speaking to thosands of Reps he left hanging in disblief when Destiny went under. Lets Say he talked the talk but couldnt walk the walk
So take look into what you say before you post it I like what you do but do alittle more reserch before you post things that arent entirly true. Remember to Measure twice and cut once…
Chris L.
WOW! Some great questions. Not sure I have the answers to all of them, since I have nothing to do with WOW or Liberty, but I can sure ask the powers to be.
1. Based on the Tier 1 PCS provider, I would say the platform will past until new technology is released someday. How long WOW Mobile will use this platform, I have no clue.
2. I have put together Six Multi-Million dollar deals over the years. Four outside of MLM and Two inside of the MLM Profession. The four outside of MLM was when I was a partner in a mergers and acquisition firm.
3. As for Jeffers, you will have to ask him. I know of at least three, although the T-Mobile one seems to have ended.
4. As for the T-Mobile statements under #3 above, can you provide valid documentation we can research and investigate?
5. I asked about Destiny customers, not reps. However, if you can provide documented evidence of customers who lost money from the services they bought, we’ll gladly report it. I am sure some reps in the end lost money. It is kind of hard to pay commissions when your bank accounts and assets are frozen.
6. I fully understand Texas is a sovereign Republic. However, it is not a foreign country any longer. You can’t just “flee” to Texas and get away from your past. Want to give a few more details for folks?
7. Please provide public documentation that Destiny was found to be a pyramid scheme. I’m not talking about “allegations” I am talking about a final verdict from a court, state or federal showing Destiny was closed down as a pyramid scheme.
8. You ask a great question on the T-Mobile issue. From what I was told by the WOW Legal Counsel, they found out, negotiations were done Friday. And by Saturday they informed the Reps. Seems they were on top of things pretty fast. And don’t forget, they have been working on the PCS Platform for several months.
9. ROFLOL… Where are the Telecommunication degrees of any CEO of any Telecommunication company inside or outside of MLM? What does a college degree have to do with the price of tea in china? Just about as much as it does running any company. Where is Bill Gates degree in Software development? Where is Michael Dells, in hardware development? Where is Oprah’s in Television Production? One of the signs of a smart leader is the ability to find people to fill their weak spots.
Excellent questions, which will allow the distributor to seek for deeper answer. As for my research. We do post the links to the facts. And if you can provide new ones, or documents, we’ll post it also.
Sara,
I totally agree what your saying..Troy keeps on saying that Liberty International has been a high earner, but its only been a mutli million dollar company for the past couple of yrs heck 4 yrs ago Mr. Jeffers was driving a school bus to make money to keep the company alive. Troy will probably say that he showed integerity to keep his business alive, where was the integerity to keep Renaissance, Teleamerica, and the biggest of them all Destiny afloat. Destiny was Forbes fastest growing fortune 500 company and whats to so show for it There is no integerity Mr. Jeffers makes his millions and leaves and like he does he waits 10 yrs and bang he pops up with another comapny.What about all the employees that lost there jobs because Jeffers tucked his tail between his legs and ran no integreity there. This PCS carrier (SPRINT) do you really think this relationship will last long probably not. Here is another thing to laugh at WOW TV (IP TV) IP TV and been out for yrs its nothing new the only thing WOW is going to do is put it on a flash drive so you can plug and play just more equipment to buy, google it you can read all about it and you think that the cell phone thing had trouble wait to try this. Ecostar (Dish Network) cant believe got roped into this mess. See Liberty has been around for 11 yrs but has only been making a name for itself, the last few yrs starting with home VOIP program a mirror of Vontage, then the cell phone thing a mirror to Buzzerk Mobile and now IP TV all these things and not one of them being a product that Randy designed himself kinda of funny dont you think..WOW might bounce back and get there heads above water but for how long and what expense to the Reps I am glad I choose not to go with them…Remember to always measure twice and cut once..Have a wonderful day
Chris L,
Thank you for posting this comment. Please forgive me, but you make one statement I am not sure I fully understand… “Troy keeps on saying that Liberty International has been a high earner.” I do not believe I have ever used this phrase, can you explain a little more exactly what you are referring?
It seems you do not like Randy, and may even be an employee he terminated along the way. But, you will be hard pressed to find where I have ever called Liberty a High Earner. Although, they do have some pretty high earners in the field.
If Jeffers “makes his millions” and you did use plural, then why was he, according to what you just wrote “driving a school bus a few years ago?” Did he own the school bus company also?
Sport, you really need to read the public documentations on Destiny like most of us have. If he “tucked his tail and ran” then why is he back after making his millions? Seriously, just a little logic. Maybe what you say is true, but the way you say it, seems to contradict your own statements along the way.
This is funny. At least you give us all a laugh.
Troy,
Your to funny man.
No I am not an exemployee nor would I ever like to be. I am an Ex Rep from one of his companies that has seen it all and know close people to him. I have a BA in Human Relations and Customer Service.
You keep qouting that Mr Jeffers is a or has been a Mutli million dollar company sorry that I took my qoute about you saying that Liberty is a high earning company out of context.
I never stated he made millions I was just refering to what you had stated to Sara How many multi-million dollar business or deals have you put together. He did make millions in his last company but he paid must of that to the county of Alameda then ran to Texas with the rest and when stuff wasnt going right there he ran to Oregon to set up shop there and ran out of money to operate so he started to drive a school bus to support his company because he money was froozen with his merchants.
Yes Mr Jeffers made millions from Destiny so did alot of the Reps he lost it all too. I have read all the papers concerning Destiny I live it too I saw the company grow and fall apart. I seen a man that had a dream got himself a jet then I saw a Man lose that dream and then sell his jet to pay fines back to the county he operated in. Liberty was barely running whe he moved to Oregon so he decide to start driving school bus to help pay for commission checks at that time where going out. What I do say here is the truth and I have other that would back me on this..Well if its entertaining to you then atleast I have made someone think about what I have said..this isnt a laughing matter these are people lives he is tinkering with but it doesnt matter to him he will pick up where he left off and on to Thailand he will move. Remember measure twice cut once.
Chris L.,
Thank you, I try to make folks laugh every now and then
I am not sure if Randy is a Multi-Millionaire or not today. As for Liberty International, that is a different story.
As for what I said to Sara… I asked her “How many multi-million dollar deals she had put together?” The T-Mobile and the PCS Platform deal is based on multi-millions in service fees. But, I still seem to be missing your point.
My point, I thought was clear. Multi-Million Dollar deals takes time. Having put a few together personally over the years, I do know it should not happen overnight, and sometimes when negotiations breakdown or the attorneys get involved, deadlines can be missed.
If what you state is true, I am not sure the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Randy driving a school bus. When any CEO is willing to do extra, including driving a school bus to make the commission run, and today has built the company into a multi-million dollar business, what is the negative to this story?
I’m not saying Jeffers is a saint, as I have reported in the past, and which is still public for all to read. But, I fail to see the negative to the story you share.
Now as for Thailand… Seems to me, if Randy wanted to run to Thailand, he would have done it by now. Or last least already stashed enough money to live on the rest of his life! I have good friends in Thailand, and it doesn’t take a boatload of money to live like a king, even in todays economic climate.
I 100% agree with you statement “Measure twice, cut once!” excellent advice.
Troy,
I find it kinda of funny out of all I wrote the only thing you write me back is how I qouted you in saying you said that Liberty was a high earning company. But you dont comment on the other things that were said. Either you knew it was the truth or youare trying to stir others in different direction so they dont see the truth. Remember measure twice cut once…
Wow have new site up in running shipping PCS phones…End of Story !
Troy check it out !
P.S
All Wow Reps…if Zoom …or x Wow reps call you or your downlines….google their phone numbers get their names report them to Liberty for termination ASAP. Don’t stand for any of this !
They are traitors of the worst kind!.
Loyal Wow Rep…you’re a LIER…there are NO PRODUCTS & NO SERVICE!!!!
Troy, I was disgusted when I saw the comment from “Sara.” Here we go. Wow rep attacking Zoom and Zoom rep attacking Wow. Sara, your comments are not helping your company they are hurting them. I am with Zoom simply because I saw a great opportunity. Not because someone “stole” me from Wow. I hope Wow mobile succeeds and not just for the reps sake. I hope Randy and Jeff prosper. I hope Mike Storm prospers and I hope they compete with Zoom and all the other mlm wireless companies (I hope that Global Verge succeeds as well), but the cut throat words disgust me. Competition is what helps make this industry great! But enough of the speculating and back biting. Troy, it’s taking place on your website. Like I said before, in my opinion it is better to report on facts and not speculation. Zoom and Wow reps, stop attacking one another. You are making the wireless mlm industry look pathetic. Troy, I would appreciate a reply this time because I have the utmost respect for you as well. Your heart wants to protect people and that is an honorable thing in the sight of the Lord!
IWantFacts,
Excellent comment. I believe reps calling out and holding other reps to a higher standard is great for all of us.
If reps would focus more on the company they believe in and love, rather than popping off about the other company, the whole MLM Wireless niche would be better off.
I am sorry in the delay in responding. I took Sunday off for the most part, and got started late today.
You my friend are a valuable asset to this community. Thank you for sharing your heart.
Distributors wake up already. Why do you continue to deal with the most volatile product and companies in network marketing. Move on it’s over. The telecom industry is in such disrepair and their reputations are so tarnished you will be dealing with this crap for years. Enough is enough. While you guys are fighting lawsuits and waiting on products that never seem to materialize I’m building a small army in a company that has proven leadership, products and a comp plan that anyone can be successful. Send me an email with “more info” in the subject line to morbitzermarketing@live.com and I will send you the info on what I believe to have the interest of the distributors and families as it’s #1 priority. It’s worth 5 minutes to take a look to see how an honest ethical network company is run. Once again thanks for all you do Troy.
What a mess!!! This gives MLM as a whole a black eye.
Stop advertising your business through this blog, this blog is to get us all, well inform, your business doesn’t make sense and Telecomm industry it is not death and it will never be.
But every time there is a new video here you are, advertising, is it ethical or you don’t have any other source?, please have respect… There is a comapany that it will be one of the strongest telecomm mlm out there and the reason why people have not hear of it is becouse its made in purpose and i am not advertising. It will happened..Period.
and use your imagination becouse is strongest then knowledge..
Armando,
You really need to check yourself. You are right I am guilty of indirectly advertising on this blog and I’m not going to stop. If I’m guilty of trying to help distributors and their families so be it. I have rescued 7 distributors from the telecom debacle and proud of it in the last 60 days.
I find it ironic that you want me to stop when you were one of the first people to inquire as to what it is I do. Your e-mail dated 5/1/2010 @ 2:49 PM asking about the company says it all. Now your stating the company doesn’t make sense? After reading your post that is riddled with improper sentence structure and misspelled words I totally understand why the concept of saving people money and making people money was so difficult. Maybe it’s not the company Armando. I think you and telecom are a perfect match. Good luck with that.
As always please e-mail “more info” in the subject line to amorbitzer@insight.rr.com
Hey Andy …
We’ve noticed after alot of Troy’s video posts, you seem to find ways to condescend to people in the manner in which you speak to them regarding their attitude about their business’s and the situation they’re currently in. Moreover, you advertise YOUR business each and every time! Do you reallyl expect these good people to duck and run away from what they’re doing, quit their business and run over to join YOUR businesss? How’s that working for you?
What these good people DON’T need is someone talking down to them, this constant barraging of “wake up people” and hearing that their reputations are going to be tarnished for years because they’re choosing to hold on to something that’s important to THEM!
Point being: NO one should be here hanging around waiting for the leveling of these other companies and any demise of their distributors. Just like you and we, these people want to succeed and they want to realize some reward for their efforts and see their companies win these battles, They’re really NO different than you and YOUR sense of pride when it comes to YOUR business!
Whatever it is you think you’re doing doesn’t make it right in the sense you DO in fact hang out here AND advertise your business almost every time there’s another of Troy’s video posts! Our apologies if this offends you but …perhaps you SHOULD chill for awhile and if nothing else, offer these good people a little more understanding and guidance from a compassionate direction instead of always promoting YOUR business to them. Try giving them a little support and inspiration!
Just for awhile, try to put yourself in their shoes and see how you would feel if they spoke to you the way you’re speaking to them. These good people MAYvery well believe as you and we do – “Winners never quit and quitters never win!”
Partners,
I’ve noticed a few things myself you seem to wedge your way into everyone’s business like your the owner of this blog. Talk about hangin out in here you have made a minimum of 9 comments and mostly unsolicited giving people nominal advice at best. My business doesn’t concern you that I know of focus on the things you can control and stop worrying about the things you cannot. Who put you in charge? I post one comment every time Troy posts a video because I had a vested interest in these companies with exception of the one above I posted two because I won’t stand for hypocrites that attack me. That is not excessive by any means and I have never once mentioned my companies on this blog. And no I don’t expect people to duck and run I expect people to listen to the leaders on blogs such as this and stop this madness and make an informed decision to move on. Oh yea to answer your question it’s working out great . To date 14 people have built a relationship with me and have the same beliefs that I do and yes they have come on board with our team. I’m not waiting around for the demise of these companies I’m rescuing them from the fire. You can’t build something new unless the fires out. There’s no smoke,fire or alarms going off where we are. Why must people get burned to figure out the house is on fire. Just so you know there is nothing you could say that would offend me. I’m not going to chill and quite frankly I don’t even know why I’m responding to you. I am offering them guidance & direction it just doesn’t happen to be to your liking which I don’t really understand. Why again is it wrong to help people out of the predicament there in? And lastly winners know when to quit cut their losses and move on.
Well, maybe I need to change my name to “Cautiously Optimistic.” I came really close to jumping out of WOW. Wasn’t intending to necessarily jump TO anywhere, but I thought I should try to get my hard earned money back if i wasn’t going to be able to build a WOW business. (I never had any interest in any of the other Liberty products. Without WOW, I just flat wouldn’t have even considered joining Liberty International.) When I found out my $499 would stay with Liberty, I decided to stay and wait it out. Looks like the PCS carrier is onboard and we should be able to get our phones ordered within the next day or two.
I never felt like Randy was a crook or a scammer, but all along I resented the fact that he encouraged and hyped and continued to take money from folks when he knew his deal with T-Mobile was falling apart and phones weren’t going to be shipped. This, and the total lack of response and communication from Liberty to the reps really gave me a bad feeling about Randy and his company. From a recent phone call to reps it sounds like the leaders have finally figured out that communication with the reps is an absolute necessity. Let’s hope they continue to communicate with us, good news or bad, and let us make informed decisions that work for us.
Troy, I appreciate all you do to keep us informed. You can’t know every detail, but at least you do a lot of the heavy digging for those of us who have neither the time nor the resources to do it all for ourselves. I’ve tried to read a lot of your posts and watch your videos, even ones not at all related to the wireless MLM wars. I’m convinced you do your homework, and even if you don’t have all the answers, you honestly try to share what information you can find out. Thank you for that.
To all who are posting, I’d just encourage us all to take as positive a tone as we can muster. Frustration sometimes brings out the worst in folks, and negativity isn’t going to really bring any of us forward. I hope all the honest and ethical companies (wireless and otherwise) will find distributors and success.
Now, if I can just finally get this phone and go see some folks!!
Everyone have a great day!
I joined and stuck with wow for all the same reasons. Something inside tells me we did a good thing. I called the company thats selling the phones today and talked to that guy that was on one of liberty calls. Don’t remember which one but it was recent. He said his company will be activating the phones when they are ready to go and they are waiting to finalize something with liberty so the reps who bought the phone and paid for services can use the refund that liberty owes us to buy the new phone and start the new service and I guess liberty will refund the difference. I asked him a ton of questions about the phones, tethering features, etc etc and he could only give me limited info but what he could tell me, it’s just so exciting. Right now the Hero is the only phone that will be able to handle the wowtv for those reps who will be adding that to their phones for demo purposes when wowtv comes out. I think wow reps will be back in biz very soon and it’s gonna be a wonderful and wild ride.
For those who sell phone service expect problems, and nickel and diming
For those who sell a business…get loyal reps who are willing to accept bumps in the road
So get trained !…learn the business! Know your Liberty inside out…not just 3=free
Then you can be a Real Rep to the people…like a Leader
I’m sorry folks, but Sara and Chris L sound like the same person to me. LOL They both post long winded rants with loads of totally unsubstantiated claims, and ever since Chris L came onto the scene, Sara mysteriously vanishes????? LOL Anyways, It sounds as though these two have a serious ax to grind with Randy/Liberty International. Always be cautious of what you post people. Sounds to me like Sara and Chris may be walking a thin line between ranting and libel (defamation) and ignorance of the law is no defense.
Troy, lol i have read a ton on your blog here for a month or so, and troy i have lost faith in you, the ship is sinking with wow and you cant seem to let it go, everything from the web site to the phones to the founders is just full of crap, now you can come back and reply with some nice words and so good come backs or half stated facts, but troy not only are we loosing faith in liberty, were loosing it in you, now were not asking you to trash them but my word troy, lets call a snake a snake, this is a mess and even if they do fix it its gonna be so hard to come back from this, and if zoom mobile has taken the concept and made it better more power to them, because someone needed to, if they cant get it right and someone can let them win, alot of people have put alot into this troy to only have a bunch of stories and half truths.
Wow tv was to launch 2 weeks ago troy and in the last week we have not heard a word about it and it still has not launched, they got people all excited and let us all down, the phones were to go live 2 weeks ago, they had some clown from so called sprint on a call that sounded like some buddy of randys, lol and said bar any big thing it will ship on monday, monay has come and gone troy, then the show us some new site that has phones on it, ok well didnt he say monday they were shipping phones, now they have a new deal with an outside company and set up a new web site, troy, come on now my friend, lets get real here man, i think all were saying is cut the crap troy, we like and respect you, dont take up for the crap troy, you blasted these guys then you became buddies with him and took his calls and he sent you a phone and maybe some fruit baskets for christmas, but lets be real here troy, lies and more lies, you said they didnt lie, if you say to me troy your gonna do something an dont do it you lied, when they say on monday they are launching wow tv and 17 days later no wow tv and no mention, troy what the heck my friend.
Troy let them be
Karen,
Thank you for your time and input.
Well, since you have already lost faith in me, I will not waste your valuable time with any nice words, or half stated facts.
I will ask, have you read the latest article on Zoom and WOW?
By the way young lady… Everyone one send us a cell phone. But, if you have listened you know I use a GiCell for me personal cell phone and my home line is also through GiConnect. By the way, no fruit baskets from Randy. But some of the authors I use on my morning radio show, have sent me brownies.
Karen:
Your venting is understandable if you are a Liberty rep as your comments imply, if not than it is attacking from a distance which is always easy to do. I will admit I was skeptical when my wife approached me with this idea and being in a HIGHLY volitale and lucrative career of my own I was not “all in” but did support her efforts. I have attended several meetings and listened to most of the calls and have even had conversations with several in Liberty’s corporate structure. Knowing how “slippery” it can be dealing with CEO’s of multi billion corp( which I have done) and the fact that sometimes some in their organizations don’t necessarily support their ideas it was no surprise to me that some in T Mobile started to have reservations about their arrangement with Liberty. T Mobile retail stores were getting pummeled by Liberty reps and the new business they were bringing to T MOBILE corporate’s bottom line at the expense of T Mobile’s retail division. Now with the delay of Wow T.V, are you aware it is due to interfacing it with offering it the our brave men and women in OUR MILITARY? Again sometimes it is difficult to keep the focus when things go awry but as someone who has just left a mid 6 figure job to be with my family more, there are more important things than money, I intend to help my wife focus and build a lucartive business via Liberty and it’s cellular and T.V products. Liberty still seems to have the most beneficial comp plan and possibly the most cutting edge ideas and I say this due to my research and actual investigations of other companies.
Troy this is for you, I think your dilligence and knowledge in this industry is priceless and has helped a novice such as myself navigate the intriguing world of network marketing! Many thanks and KEEP ON ROCKING!!!
Art,
I appreciate your input. I understand Karen’s frustration, as a “frustrated WOW rep” myself. I think Karen’s “rant” just points out what I’ve been saying all along. One of Randy’s biggest failures is his refusal to communicate with the field force on a regular basis. He seems to have absolutely no idea that many of us out here are still hanging on and hoping he can pull off what he promises. While we sit here listening to hype and promises, he’s probably working his butt off in the background trying to bring it all together. As you say, there are a lot of details to work out, and most of that we’ll never know about. He can’t possibly take the time to share details with us, and it would probably hurt his chances to pull it off if he did. But what he can, and should do, is either delegate or do it himself, COMMUNICATE! After hearing all the promises and being told everything is launching, we are still waiting. No phones. No service. No WOW TV. And no communication. Dead web site with pretty (and pretty overpriced) phones and a message from a few days ago that they’re waiting on LI to get them the details on how we can purchase them.
Is Randy trying to do it all himself and unable to delegate a person to at least give the troops some word on progress? For the life of me, I can’t understand why he doesn’t get it. We need to hear someting. As I”ve said before, bad news is better than no news. Some of us think he’s onto something big and if he can pull it off we want to be a part of it. But when we check these websites daily and hear absolutely no word as to the status, we may have trouble hanging on.
Troy, thanks again for all you do in providing a forum. I’m still hanging on, still frustrated, and still looking everywhere I can think to look trying to get word. Right now, MLM Help Desk is the only glimmer of hope. At least other WOW (LI) reps can come here and commiserate with each other about our total lack of leadership and our hopes that one day that won’t matter.
Carry on!
Hello to ALL WOW mobile REPS,
I don’t know if this is true or not but I have just received news that Liberty International/Wow mobile located in Oregon, President Randy Jeffers has just fired or let go 40 of his employees from which I understand no one had a clue that ths was coming. So listen for announcement coming from Mr Jeffers while he is in Orlando Florida, of the future of Liberty/WOW mobile..Remember measure twice cut once.
Frustrated WOW Rep:
I could NOT agree with you more on the communication(or lack thereof) it has been nerve racking to be told we are all in this together and information flows to a select few. With that being said, it appears the legal issues have put restraints on Randy and the company over what they can share going forward. I by NO means am a lemming following blindly and I think the next 60 days are CRITICAL!!! I will give Randy credit for standing up there this Saturday and answering SOME of the issues and questions directly. Frustrated, if you would like to share e-mails to compare notes just let me know….
Hello Art,
Word has it that WOW mobile founder Randy Jeffer has laid off more than 40 of his employees from the main Oregon office. I was told by one of the employees that just received word last friday that it was going to be his finally day along with 39 othes that received the same word. Art you can blindly say that he stood up there all professionlly like but what about the lives he is distroying back in Oregon, now 40 families lives have to depend on unemployment if they could get it. From reading some other website seems that Mr Jeffers isnt so keen to letting exemployees get the unemployment they deserve. The next 60 days are just a poly to get the Reps to stay on so he can try to regroup.Sounds to me like another DESTINY..Remember to measure twice cut once..
Hey guys just had to put my two cents in for whats that worth. I am a former WOW rep, yes I said former. I just couldn’t listen to the bulls$#t anymore. I just listened to a confrence call from Super Saturday in Orlando and did I hear everything right. First, the processor has shut liberty down. Second, Liberty is now changing their name. When does everyone wake up and say whats going on? This is scary. Before you ask I did go to that “other company”, and couldn’t be happier. Things seem really bad over there, I’m out money from Liberty but I was blessed to the point where I made money in the begining and made my money back. Others, I feel for you and understand your fustrations. Get out before you ruin your name. You market yourself and always remember its your name your downline know’s not Randy Jeffer’s or LI. Please feel free to e-mail me with any questions.. Take care and God bless.
Correct Art…Wow pay 320% more than Zoom in cycling…Not to mention the 10 level bonus
Here is the math: (Or what they DON’T want you to know!)
Zoom: 18pts to cycle, big pack 3 pts = 6 reps = $150 !…or $25 for big pack points
Wow: 48,000pts to cycle, big pack 3500pts = 13.7 reps = $1100
…or $80 for big pack points
WOW MOBILE PAY “MASSIVELY MORE MONEY” in the main payout…points to infinity
Zoom max $3000 a day
Wow Max $7700 a day…Wow will get there 3.2 times faster
Fast start Cash on big pack….Zoom $75….Wow $100
3/FREE Rules:
Zoom: If they have a lesser rep package they dont count !!! must be equal or greater…
Wow mobile: anyone with service counts… even a customer counts! (this is big)
NB: Wow Customers get 3/free too without being a rep…or paying back office fees…BIG!!!
Residuals or Uni-level
Zoom only pay to 10 levels, max $5.00 with 50 personally sponsored
Wow Mobile 300pts Mo to infinity…no qualifications 300 pts through 3 b/s = $7.50
Also Wow Pay points to infinity on 300 other products monthly…not just cell phones
Just the WowTVanywhere & Cell Phone residuals are twice Zoom Mobile’s money
Folks Randy is paying approx 4-5 times more than Zoom Mobile…Did you know That !!!
Zoom have unilevel qualifications…its not straight forward.
Also the kicker is Wow mobile’s 10 level bonus…no qualifications $1.4 mill on the 10th!
Guys think before you Zoom into any thing !!!…especially a possible lawsuit…
P.S WHO CARE’S WHAT THE PLAN PRICES ARE WE ALL GET IT FREE WITH 3
PSS I will be those who have TV on a phone and those who don’t…people want the game on the phone, Movies etc. the Evo has the HDMI port…teather HBO to your buddy’s TV…need I say more ?
Randy has the BIG Money…and Big Heart…not to mention 11 years exp
I’m confussed.
I have recieved calls from multiple Wow Mobile representatives asking how to process a refund through Liberty International. They all have the same story. I ordered a phone or sim card, I’ve been waiting for months, no wireless service, no contact from Liberty International, no customer service, online chat only. I’m now hearing that an attempt to get a refund or wireless service from WOW Mobile will require an additional purchase.
Then you have people like “loyal wow rep” signing up distributors knowing the nightmare the new distributor’s are going to be faced with, unless they are willing to go and sign up new distributors, again knowing the nightmare the new distributor will face. And the cycle goes on, Randy pays his commission and the husslers are happy and the people that want to build a real business with real customer’s are looking for another home or going back to the traditional distribution model.
Ask Randy to post the refund policy for his distributors who signed up for wireless service and purchased a phone or sim card and the product or service was not delivered.
I’m more than willing to take the calls, walk distributors of Wow Mobile through the refund process or at least explain how I was able to get a refund. My preference is for Randy to post his position on refunds for all the distributors who paid money for a service Randy (wow mobile) was unable to deliver.
If you give someone your word, you must deliver or give them their money back.
What say You?
Joe
813-732-1576
New and existing distributors are getting PCS service now!.
Wow is delivering PCS Cell service…and TV is coming
Randy explained in today’s call a refund policy is underway
What info your told is not from the top at all
No new distributors are not faced with any nightmare, they are getting phones and service…this UN-professional to say this and propaganda
Are you aware we have a new PCS carrier ?
There is a new systems in place !
Please stick to today’s facts…yesterdays carrier and ordering process is obsolete…things have changed. Actually for a lot better…we are still on track.
Inside NEWS:
WowTVanywhere is coming.. it will be sooner than later…”I Know !”…(Troy you will have no problem confirming this either), with this being said…it will be those who have TV on a Phone and those who don’t…
296 Channels will “only” be avail …from Liberty…no other company for 18 months – 2 years.
This product will make all other phones look obsolete to say the least….what will be a phone with out TV on it !…Your phone is now a mini TV
This product alone will grow a massive company…
Good News is coming out of Liberty.
To all you Reps that are loyal…good on you!…
p.s Liberty will pay bigger residuals with Cell Phones + TV + 300 products…
Not to mention a comp plan that pays $1100 a cycle…not $150!
Jump to approx 3 x less money…and start from scratch…with a start up…not smart
Reps keep your eye on the prize!
Loyal Wow Rep.
I appreciate your response.
Very glad to hear that the NEW distributors are getting PCS service now.
Very glad to hear Randy has a refund policy underway. He honored my refund, that says alot.
My experience with WOW was an eye opener for me as well as a blessing. When I joined WOW I was very excited about offering cell service and building a customer base, as well wanted to provide wireless service for my daughter with delivery expected on 5-7 business days. Broken promise after broken promise made me start looking in a different direction.
Speak of un-professionalism and propaganda. Tell that to my daughter.
I wish You and Your team the best of luck with WOW Mobile.
We live and We learn,
Joe
813-732-1576
It is refreshing to hear your sense of incouragement. I have just signed up a new rep the other day, and I go into my teams back office and he starts ranting, :OMG! Saturday’s call(June 26) was a disaster! Shawn was medicated! They are lying to us! WowTv has failed! We have to wait until 2013!” See what I mean? And someone in another post says get out before it’s too late, and my former upline emailing me Zoom webinars, it’s like they are trying to break Wowmobile.
Karen can smell the truth from far, far away..
At this point, I cannot honestly say whether or not I am going to switch back over to WOW Mobile once their new PCS carrier is in place. The WOW TV Anywhere, their many broken promises, the hundreds, or possibly even thousands of undelivered phones, their failed relationship with one of the largest service providers in the world, etc, etc, has all gotten me disenchanted and almost callus in my faith of this sinking ship.
It appears that Liberty International is currently under attack by not only T-Mobile, but ZOOM Mobile as well. To make matters even worse, Randy/Liberty International constantly insists on leaving what little reps they have left in the dark, when they should be allowing us to assist them in this ongoing battle with the unscrupulous carrier and the fraudulent copycat company.
Liberty continues to host events throughout Florida, when they should be focusing on the task at hand, which is reestablishing their base of customers and Independent Reps, catching up on all back orders, taking care of their litigation with T-Mobile and ZOOM Mobile (if there is one), and keeping everyone posted on exactly what’s going on. Liberty needs to cease all scheduled events, until that is, they have gotten everything ironed out. Why would anyone with integrity want to continue recruiting others through such a mess?
Reid,
You are right on! Why on earth LI doesn’t give us some information, I have no idea. Nine days ago they announced with great fanfare that our PCS carrier was online and they gave us the website to go order our new phones. However, they have yet to let us know how they’re going to refund our money for the phantom phones we’ve already paid for and never received. I still don’t see how we can purchase WOW TV. Nothing on the LI back office that I can find.
My upline had hoped to make the trip to Florida for their most recent “big event,” but time and money constraints prevented him from doing it. After listening to that fluff call, I’m so glad he didn’t waste his time or money to go down there to hear the big announcement, “Our PCS carrier is up and running.” Duh! Didn’t we already know that? Still no info on how to get a refund or apply what we’ve already paid to the new phone. Still no way to order WOW TV.
Randy must have a mental block against communicating anything to his field force. I am at a total loss to understand this man’s thinking. If I could get all my money back I’d do it in a heartbeat, but because they think they’ve provided something of value with their website and their access to pills and potions, they won’t release the $499 that we paid to be a rep. Technically, they’re right. We could be making money if we were willing to sell something other than WOW Mobile. Never mind that we have no interest in selling something other than the cell service. That’s how they’re hanging on to a ton of money from a lot of disappointed folks.
Randy brags about how he works night and day. I think it’s because he can’t sleep anyway because his conscience bothers him over how badly he’s treating his team!
Anyway, just a bit of a rant to blow off steam. All I can do is wait for someone to take responsibility at some high level at LI and give us some information (and hopefully, to return some money to us.)
I have been following this story and reading the string to try and gain a clearer perspective on peoples frustration with the MLM cell phone niche. Since I am currently not a distributor in any of these companies I can’t really speak from personal experience or personal frustration. What I can suggest is that if you are not happy with the current climate, you really only have two option. 1) Stay with the company that you originally put your faith in and stick it out until they tell you it’s over. If you take this path, be an encourager and not a complainer. Complaning never really accomplishes anything. 2) quietly leave and find a new place that you believe can provide the opportunity that you are looking for. If you take the second path, I suggest you spend some serious time doing your homework on the next company you jump into. I heard someone say that most people spend more time on planning a vacation then they do planning their next career move. In closing, I don’t mean to sound insensitive. I am really trying to encourage and empower those to make a decision and then stick with it. Sitting around and being frustrated is really doing no one any good. Wishing all of you massive success in what ever you do. Now…. go do it!
@Frustrated WOW rep
Yeah, believe me, I know exactly how you feel! Not only is Liberty International constantly keeping everyone in the dark, but they are now even beginning to act as though everything’s all fine and dandy by continuing to host weekly events throughout the country.
Don’t you have to put out a fire, before building a new structure? Why is Liberty International so adamant about trying to build the business when they haven’t even rectified all of the existing problems? Why has Liberty International not posted anything of importance in our back offices for the past four days? Do they really have everything running that smoothly now? What the? LOL
I am really glad that I told all of my prospects to hold up on this opportunity, until everything has been up and running for at least 3-6 months. WOW Mobile could not even successfully fulfill this minuscule time frame.
I hope that the thousands of prospects that attend these live events also give it at least 3-6 months before taking Liberty International up on their offer. I am beginning to see a pattern of empty promises, and would not be surprised if the exact same thing happened with the new carrier within a few short months.
As for anyone receiving any monies back, I highly doubt that will happen. I am not interested in any compensation, only periodic updates and some phone service. Until next time, Take Care everyone and God Bless.
> ———- Mensaje reenviado ———-
> De: Humberto Moreno
> Fecha: 21 de junio de 2010 10:08
> Asunto: ULTIMAS NOTICIAS DE WOW-LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL !!!!!
> Para: humasara@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> No puedo estar más emocionado, las noticias de Orlando son tan buenos
> como se ponen. Todavía estamos pasando por un poco de un desafío, pero
> permítanme que lo diga, vamos a ser 3 veces más fuerte MANANA de lo
> que estábamos ayer.
>
> Campeones: Nuestro servicio PCS (Personal Communication System) esta
> en vivo a partir de hoy, y la nuestra Compania Liberty International
> está trabajando en el segundo proveedor de GSM (Global System for
> Mobile Communications) que debería estar aquí más pronto de lo que
> pensábamos y WOW TV Anywhere está a sólo 30 días de retraso, debería
> estar listo alrededor de 01 de julio. Todas las piezas están aquí.
> Prepárate para Cantar de Jubilo, Ahora somos mas grandes de lo que
> hemos estado siempre. Los próximos 90 días hará historia en el mundo
> de las redes.
> Vamos a la guerra con T-Mobile en el sentido de que estamos
> demandando! Ellos son los responsables de eso, han incumplido, es
> todo lo que ocurre con Liberty International. Hemos declarado
> oficialmente la guerra a ellos. La Revolución ha Comenzado.!!!!
>
> En otro frente para que lo sepas, hay un pequeño grupo de personas
> aquí en la Florida tratando de imitarnos (Y RECUERDA: La imitación es
> la mejor forma de Adulación) imitan lo que estamos haciendo, hacen
> como que hacen lo que nuestra empresa hace, pensando que durante la
> noche con cero experiencia en Multinivel (MLM) y productos no de
> alguna manera van a ser capaces de hacer arte de magia lo que nos está
> tomando años para hacer, y lo que nadie más ha sido capaz de hacer.
> ¿Cómo es que una locura? El nombre que pasan y algunos de ustedes han
> escuchado, suena como DOOM, BOOM. De todas formas se han roto todas
> las leyes en los libros de MLM incluyendo que vuela la ética derecho a
> través del techo … les estamos demandando! Ellos se cerrará sin
> lugar a dudas, incluso antes de que la señora gorda canta.
> Se va a acabar por entonces de todos modos!
>
>
>
>
> I can not be any more excited, the news from Orlando are as good as it
> gets. We are still going thru a little bit of a challenge but let me
> say this; we are going to be 3 times stronger tomorrow than we were
> yesterday.
> Guys Our PCS service is live as of today, they are working on the
> second GSM provider that should be here sooner than we thought and WOW
> TV Anywhere is just 30 days behind schedule, it should be ready around
> July 1st. all the pieces are here. Get ready to Rock and Roll, we are
> bigger now that we’ve ever been. The next 90 days will make history in
> the Networking World.
> We are going to war with T Mobile meaning we are suing them! They are
> responsible for everything thats happening with Liberty International.
> We have officially declared war on them. The Revolution has Begun.
> On a different front just so you know, there is a small group of
> people here in Florida trying to imitate us (imitation is the best
> form of flattery) pretending to do what our company does, thinking
> that overnight with ZERO MLM experience and no products they somehow
> are going to magically be able to do what’s taking us years to do, and
> what no one else has ever been able to do. How crazy is that? The
> name they go by and some of you may have heard, sounds like DOOM,
> BOOM. Anyway they have broken every MLM law in the books including
> blowing ethics right thru the roof… we are suing them! They will be
> shut down without a doubt, even before the fat lady sings.
> It will be over by then anyway!
>
> Happy Fathers Day!
> George M. Capote
> US Wow Mobile Team Leader
> 813-601-0154
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars
> with Hotmail. Get busy.
zoom reps show up at the Wow Mobile Orlando event trying to recruit…
zoom are doing Orlando meetings…one week after Wow Mobile was there…
zoom are building there whole rep base from Wow Mobile…and are obvious doing it !
All Wow Reps got zoom e-mails and calls daily
X Wow Reps at Zoom are using the Liberty back office for leads
Zoom copy Wow in all but the Comp plan
Troy don’t you see a constant pattern here ?
I think Wow have a solid case against zoom and should be awarded damages
This could be a huge problem for zoom…its hanging over them already!
zoom reps show up at the Wow Mobile Orlando Super Saturday event trying to recruit…
zoom are doing Orlando meetings…one week after Wow Mobile was there…with little prior notice
zoom are building there whole rep base from Wow Mobile…and are obvious doing it !
All Wow Reps get is zoom e-mails and calls daily talking miss truths
X Wow Reps now at Zoom are using the Liberty back office for leads, info
Zoom copy Wow Mobile in all but the Comp plan…(I read this in a few posts below)
Troy don’t you see a constant pattern here ?…Its Just not Right !
I think Wow have a solid case against zoom and should be awarded damages
This could be a Huge problem for zoom…its hanging over them already!
Troy how would you feel if one of you staff ripped you off like this?.
Just Not Right,
This is the first I have heard of Zoom reps showing up at the WOW event. if this truly happened then it is not only unethical, it is completely outside of what is classified normal professional behavior inside of the MLM world.
Everyone would love to recruit everyone else. But, you do not show up at someone elses event to do it.
There is an old scripture I love to live by. Do unto others as you want done to you. With a huge Zoom event just around the corner in Vegas, I would have to see WOW reps show up and start recruiting form the launch. Or any other company.
If this happened, then Zoom may have some issues… Like a field force that is clueless to how MLM distributors are to act.
Wow reps, recruit respectfully… keep the faith
Agreed. I swear if they swipe one of my downline from me, I’ll go crazy! I think that something has to be done about this. I tried to call my downline for the past week and he had not returned my calls. Not only is this unusual for him, this is just not cool!
Get used to it, because this is just the sad reality of MLM. Why do you think so many companies pop up every day? The culture of many of these “leaders” is just to flip flop. They will be out of Zoom in a few months and into another new Wireless or other deal. They did the same thing when they left their former program and joined WOW. That’s where WOW got its momentum, and where Zoom will get their’s, and the new deal in a few months will have the same experience.
This is a great comment and topic though, because I believe that if more people actually thought long term about their business, and not just about how much bonus money they could earn by recycling their team over and over, we would have fewer companies, but the companies out there would be more solid and the reps would be making more money over time.
Hey Troy ,,,
This particular post sure did bring out a lot of feelings and opinions in a lot of people! In fact spending the entire day reading it all while resting (just home from hospital) …it brought out both concerns and feelings here also. Everyone seems to have written quite a lot in their postings. Geez, along with what we’re about to post here and all the others, you could literally write a book! Not a bad idea and we do hope you’re considering a book at some point on marketing – maybe a diary of sorts, ha!
In all honesty, it’s heartbreaking to read some of the comments while others concern us. All of these Telcom Wireless MLM’s are having issues to some degree. That fact doesn’t make one better than the other per say …but it sure does make some more vulnerable than others. At each level, these corporate “powers that be” definitely have differences in what they want to and what they are accomplishing vs what they’re not. We’re also thinking of all the people promoting wireless that may not totally understand how things work in the wireless industry.
Doesn’t matter which current MLM Wireless Company …almost none are exempt from problems happening, especially in this high tech industry. It is disturbing that so many good people (both experienced marketers and some new to the online marketing industry) are experiencing heartache, disappointment and anger related to money, time and effort they’ve put into promoting these different companies, wireless products and services.
It must be very difficult for some having to learn the wireless terms and lingo let alone be able to promote it to others that know little if anything about it and how it works. Most people are use to their AT&T, Verizon or other wireless services the same way they’re use to their landlines, cable television and hooking up utilities. The learning curve from very young to elderly is enormous on some of these high tech things. There are people in their 90′s these days that use a computer – believe it or not!
If one thinks about it …just 35 years ago (mid 80′s – maybe a bit longer – don’t math dawg me please), the internet was still a baby and just beginning to take hold on the free world. Now we have touchscreen computers, wireless printers, plasma televisions, home theaters, pagers, cell phones, bluetooth’s, iPods, iPads etc. What did we ever do without all of those when we were just kids in the earlier 1940′s, 50′s, 60′s, 70′s and some 80′s? By the way, can’t wait to get our new LG 50″ 600Hz Plasma HDTV (courtesy hard work), ha!
Each of those things took time to develop and manufacture along with supporting technologies and getting it right. It also takes time for people to learn how this all works and that includes the TOPS of companies learning about wireless technologies and how they can fit them to an MLM business and earn profit for themselves as a company as well as their distributors. There’s a ton of terms connected with wireless that they and the distributors must learn in order to promote it correctly!
Once joined to one of these Wireless MLM companies, there are a lot of expectations. We totally understand that it’s not a simple decision to terminate a membership and give up all that time, effort and monies spent. That’s not easy for anyone to do and it’s not something you want to encourage anyone else to do for good reason. Some people find their way even in war-torn business’s and some don’t. People make their own decisions and just because we decide to leave a business doesn’t mean we have the right to tell anyone else to. We may give them the facts we know to be true about things going on, but then it’s up to them to make that final decision one way or another.
For some others, they may be weary of so called “friends” that talked them into joining an MLM Wireless business and we can certainly understand as we’ve been in that position before also. These are lessons we all learn and we don’t learn them in a year or even 2 or 3 years. It takes years to learn the in’s and out’s of marketing, advertising and promoting a business.
We can also understand feeling like a “victim” in all of this. This is something that happens as a direct result of the decisions we all make. That’s not to say that other people don’t victimize any of us, they do. It’s only to say that when we put ourselves in a compromising position on any level, we open ourselves up to vulnerablility and thus other people who are very clever at using people for their own self gain …have a wide open space to accomplish those bad deeds and take advantage of each of us.
Most of us watch the morning news. We see all sorts of stories including people like Bernie Madoff who worked hard at scamming other people. He’s in jail now but those victimized people still have to go on with their lives. They’ve all been angry and bitter but they’re moving on in life because it’s what they must do to survive …and they know it. If you don’t like where you’re at, you change it. If you’re not getting all you want, you go elsewhere. If you’re angry at the situation, you learn from it and don’t ever let it happen to you again.
What we’re getting at here is that we’re both just two old military veterans. We’re simple people with a dual 50+ years of experiences. We’ve traveled the world, seen and done many things but we’re also compassionate and concerned when we see others get harmed in any way. Stuff happens and we’ve both learned that there’s some things you can’t prevent. Just go on living, learning, loving and working the best you can and you will achieve all that your heart desires and then some.
We have this saying around our house: If you really like potatoes and you or someone else burns them, does that mean you’ll never eat potatoes again? The answer is no. You dump the burned ones, clean the pan, slice up some fresh ones and start all over again. That’s a pretty good way to look at life and at business! Some people who get burned in business simply walk away and never look back …some keep coming back and getting burned because they never learned how to NOT burn their own potatoes!
Whatever it is you consider burned, if you really like what you’re doing …go find the right people in the right place with the right business and start over! If you’re good enough at talking to people and sharing your story, you’ll succeed in whatever you desire to achieve. Just don’t ever expect things to go perfectly and don’t expect others to think like you do.
Life is full of surprises both good and some not so good. If you can learn to take one day at a time, clear your breathing space and living space of those “negative” things and people around you that cause you to fail where otherwise you would succeed …you can fly and fly high!
It’s at this point, we’d like to share a video. It comes from the book “You Can’t Send a Duck to Eagle School” by Mac Anderson. My “Partner” met Mac Anderson at a local Chamber of Commerce meeting back in 1996 near Stetson University in Deland, Florida. This was long before Mac wrote the book or created the video. Take the time to watch this and you may learn about “ducks” in your business. In all seriousness, sometimes “ducks” turn out to be the BEST business builders you’ve ever had because they “quack” a lot and that’s good for business!
http://www.eagleschoolmovie.com/
Now Go Out and Make it Happen Folks and God Bless!
“Partners” in Florida – USA
Phone: 386-438-8056
Troy,
Our apologies, this DID go long! The meaning in all we posted was for others to settle down some and realize although the issues are serious …live and business DO go on! Really the part we want everyone to see and THINK hard about is the video! So, if some don’t want to spend time reading our post, that’s okay too!
We wish everyone God’s Speed and Good Luck in their decsions. We know where we are and we’re very happy. Life only comes around once and like a dollar bill, you can spend it any way you want but …you can only spend it once so you’d better get it right or at least be prepared to try again and again until you do with what you have left!
You Can’t Send a Duck to Eagle School but …You Can Try!
http://www.eagleschoolmovie.com/
Semper Fi
Randy Jeffer’s and all the other MLM companies should implement a policy where if someone where to leave the company they would forfeit their entire downline and will never again be eligible to rejoin the organization. Think of all the heartache ZOOM Mobile is now causing WOW Mobile. ZOOM won’t even be around in a few short months!!! Then Liberty reps are supposed to deal with all of these backstabbing distributors desperately trying to crawl their way back? Who the hell is going to want this pile of rubbish in their downline? Distributors that have already proven that they’ll just up and leave whenever the going gets tough, or each and every time a new company mysteriously pops up? Distributors that have demonstrated they have no loyalty or integrity? Wake up folks!!! Sure, I know many of us have not been happy campers the past few months, but Liberty International has been in business for the past 10+ years. ZOOM Mobile just recently popped out of someones toilet in the past what, two months??? Look at ZOOM Mobile’s website for Pete’s sake!!! This fat goof wearing glasses had his second grade niece put it together! Seriously!!! You can’t even make out what this turd is trying to say! ZOOM Mobile does not have any business dealings with Verizon, although that’s obviously what they’re trying to have you believe when they state the big “V” in their spam emails. Zoom Mobile has only been around for about a month or two, and already they are proving themselves to be nothing more than a big gimmick! The big “V”??? Virgin Mobile!!! LOL
Interesting comments…I second some of that !
Wow reps…take note of all the reps in your down line that have left to zoom…send their details in to Liberty for termination
Wow reps if any zoom paparazzi call you…get their names details like if they used to be in Wow…report them for cross recruiting and termination…
zoom reps that were in Liberty…YOUR NOT WELCOME BACK !!!
All these events were gods way of shaking the bad apples off the tree…(we know who you are!)
Loyal Guy Can you get me in contact with LFN 812-865-0310
Reid,
Let get one thing straight..I have read posting from you and many others on here you you guys keep stating that Liberty has been around for 10 yrs or 11 yrs.
The truth: Liberty has been around since 1999 and has been selling Health products until 3 yrs ago when they started to sell GFP (Global FreeDom Phone) service such as the VOIP adapter boxes, video phones etc. Then in November of 2009 they lauch WOW Mobile. So don’t make it sound like they have been around for yrs doing this VOIP/Cell business they are like any other MLM thats launching cell adventures they are alive one moment and dead the next.
You think that this WOW TV is going anywhere..really come on wake up and stop day dreaming. Go to google and type IP TV and see how many companies pop up and how long has IP TV been around it will surprise you. And you think by getting it on your cell phone is new too guess again the HTC android phones can already do this feature. Tell me how are you going to convence people to buy into this BS really if anyone had a brain they would research and tap into common sence first. People!!! this is just another ploy from a Shepard that has led is flock astry. Liberty in the begining of launching the GFP services had the Merchant counts frozen for aleast a good yr then to have them frozen again how many times will this happen. Got to really sit down and ask yourself do really want to keep following or do you want to lead.
Mr Woods,
As always thanks for posting. I do have a couple of questions.
1. YOU make the statement “Truth Liberty has been around since 1999″ Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t that what everyone else has been saying about Liberty being around for 10 or 11 years?
2. I went back through everything post we have written and I do not see where anyone has stated Liberty has been in voip or wireless for a decade. I and other have mentioned Randy and Jeff have deep history in telecommunication.
3. You do not understand WOW TV. To compare it with VOIP TV, is not correct. If you want to dig deeper, go to EchocStar and learn more about the platform. Then review SLingBox and it will allow you to better understand what WOW TV will do.
YOur comment is solid, I just want to make sure you fill in the gaps, before others start hitting you like you are hitting them.
Troy,
How is it that I am comparing WOW TV against VOIP TV.. I said IP TV totally different. If you go and google IP TV you will bring up hundreds of different companies that are doing this. I never have heard of VOIP TV so I googled it myself and only was able to find a couple of companies that offer such a thing. I think you need to dig a little deeper and do more research. WOW TV is going to offer a SLINGBOX type of setup you say? So more equipment to purchase, more money down the drain. Well what I know is that with any HTC droid phones you can already watch tv and movies and you can control your tv throuh your phone if you have Direct TV, and soon Comcast will be offering to do this. How is it that you can compare WOW TV against SLINGBOX when WOW doesnt have anything out yet to compare aginst so do some more digging yourself and TYPE in IP TV TV anywhere you go on cell or laptop. SLINGBOX is an awesome company but how many people in the US use this. I really think that people need to reserch products before they sell them like you said research sling box and all of it componets and then research IP TV then research the company and its leaders fully.
Yes I said that truth is that Liberty has been around since 1999..What I was meaning is that people make it sound like Liberty has been in the telecommuncation business that long too in which they havent and thats the point I was trying to push across to everyone. Since the companies has a weak leader and keeps people in the dark alot I though shinning some light on some people and have them research before they get waist deep into things that they risk losing money over. And how is Liberty going to show back bone in this product? Where are the testing to show that this product is going to make it? And with the economy the way it is do really think people are going want to lose more money in a product that has no life yet. You say that Randy has a deep history in telecommunicatons from what company? DESTINY thats his deep history. From talking to to a few exemployee that meant off this website I find it funny that Mr Jeffers didnt know hardly anything that with VOIP that Liberty offerd it was his employees that taught him. heck the man couldnt even setup a nework athis own home so if you sy he has a deep history where is the proof. And if DESTINY is his deep history then I feel sorry for all the REPS is has been BS these exemployees can back up ther stuff and I totally agree and understand them.