How Long Has MLM Help Desk Known Phil Piccolo Has Been With Data Network Affiliates

Well, it seems some folks think the connection between Phil Piccolo and Data Network Affiliates has been a secret. And I guess it might have been for folks who have no interest in DNA until we posted on Chris Greco’s travels through the different MLM Wireless Companies.

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So how long have we known Phil Piccolo aka Warren Anthony has been a part of DNA?

1. Our first post on Phil Piccolo is dated on March 5th, 2010 “Data Network Affiliates and narc technologies May Be Lying to their Distributors

Inside this post you will read “But… After talking with Dean, I started doing some new research and realized that although Rod Cook the MLM Watchdog broke the story of Phil Piccollo being the mastermind behind DNA and Business From Home put up a review of Phil which set off a wave of controversy. And let’s not forget Patrick Pretty was really the first big blog to break the stories on both Narc Technologies (Narc That Car) and DNA (Data network Affiliates.) “

“If it’s true that Phil Piccolo is the mastermind behind DNA (Rumors are starting to flow that Phil may also be focusing on Automatic Geek another MLM startup) and the FTC comes down on this company. Then these both Arthur Kurek and Donald Kessler could be fined huge amounts for allowing Piccolo to run the company behind the scenes. But even worse Arthur Kurek who has worked in the highly regulated Insurance Industry for over 40 years could see his career go down the drain, or at the very least be faced with early retirement.”

Second Post was published on March 10, 2010 Phil Piccolo Calls and Threatens to File Lawsuit Against MLM Help Desk and Troy Dooly

In this post we list the following.

1. Phil Piccolo, if he is not MLMs most notorious scammer, (which by the time I am done, I will know one way or another) has to be one of the most unlucky MLM professional in history.

2. If Phil Piccolo has harmed you, your team, or your family in any way, I want you to write a comment below and let us know.

3. Phil Piccolo has at least one very well respected MLM Professional as a very close friend. This person is someone I respect, admire and have called on more than once for advice, either directly or through the training they provide.

4. Phil Piccolo understands I will not take anything off of MLM help Desk, but I will continue to write blog posts, and shoot videos sharing the facts as they become available.

What I want from every person who reads this blog post, is for you to write a comment covering one of the following…

1. If Phil Piccolo has helped you, your team or your family in any way, I want you to write a comment below and let us know.

2. If Phil Piccolo has harmed you, your team, or your family in any way, I want you to write a comment below and let us know.

Now ask yourself… What category is this post listed?
Data Network Affiliates! From the moment Rod Cook and Ted Nuyten went public, we started guiding distributors who are a part of DNA to continue asking the hard questions.

In reviewing all the comments here and elsewhere, DNA reps have and still are asking the hard questions.

On March 16, 2010 I wrote the post on George Madiou is Officially the New CEO of DNA

1. I still have the same concerns as I have had since day one of the legality of using an MLM compensation structure to pay distributors for collecting license plate data.

2. I believe without proper training the distributors who collect this data are leaving themselves and the company open for huge litigation.

3. I respect George Madiou and believe he cares about the distributors he serves.

As I have said in the past only a court can decide about the legality of any company, so time will tell.

Again, we made it very clear, DNA was not off the radar, and the concern of paying distributors for data collecting. As long as DNA is paying ANY MONEY via an MLM Compensation Structure is a huge RED FLAG!

Now, let’s look at specifically what I, Troy Dooly knows without a shadow of a doubt.

1. According to George Madiou Phil Piccolo is a consultant for Data Network Affiliates.

2. According to George Madiou Phil Piccolo has NOTHING to do with any of the financial accounts of Data Network Affiliates

3. We have not found any publicly filed documents showing that Phil Piccolo is an owner of officer of Data Network Affiliates.

And lastly, for those of you who truly read the blog and don’t just watch the video. I have truly learned something over the last six weeks of frequently talking with Phil Piccolo… I truly like the guy, and we have had some great conversations which had nothing to do about business.

Does this mean we are backing off of our investigation and fact finding mission on Piccolo before the August 27th radio show on Aces Radio Live? No! It means more than ever, I want to get to the bottom of the Phil Piccolo issue.

If Piccolo is a true scammer, who has been running a multi-decade organized series of MLM ponzi schemes, then we will find out, and we’ll expose him, even it I do like the guy.

On the other hand, if we can’t find any valid documented public record that he has been more than the most unlucky MLM UnProfessional person in history, then I’ll continue to nurture this new friendship.

This whole situation reminds me of a comment MLM Kevin Thompson said to me once “Troy you can’t judge the attorney by their clients. Not all clients follow their attorneys advice.”

Well, I have given advice to George Madiou and Phil Piccolo aka Warren Anthony, and if they do not take it, then DNA may not last long term. However, if they continue to add other products and services and get out of the data collecting business, then who knows.

It’s sad when you think about it. Some folks want to find fault in Piccolo and Madiou, even me for that matter. But they do not have an problems with an organized group of people raiding and raping several MLM field organizations.

Living An Epic Adventure,

Troy Dooly

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69 thoughts on “How Long Has MLM Help Desk Known Phil Piccolo Has Been With Data Network Affiliates”

  1. FooledNoLonger,

    Well, I do hope you feel better now that you have vented. In reading your latest comment, I think folks will be able to make their own conclusions to your allegations.

  2. Hey Dookey,

    1. We made it clear from day one that the license plate model was flawed and would not work. I which more folks would have realized it earlier. AWWW STOP LYING, YOU PRETENDED LIKE YOU DIDN'T KNOW DNA WAS RUNNING A PYRAMID SCAM WITH LICENSE PLANS EVEN THE PROGRAM WAS RUN BY YOUR BUDDY GEORGIE!

    2. DNA went by the way side months ago. It was absorbed or some kind of crap with some purportedly public shell, and change the name, shareholder and officers. I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU DON'T WHY THEY MADE ALL THOSE CHANGES AND TAKING EVERYONE'S MONEY AND NOT PAYING THEM COMMISSION UNLESS THEY PAY A $35 TRANSFER FEE FROM THEIR BANK OVERSEAS. I BROUGHT THIS UP AND YOU NEVER ADDRESSED, INSTEAD YOU DANCED AROUND IT LIKE YOUR DOING NOW!!!

    3. What have you been smoking? We have done several reviewed on DNA. Now, I am sure you are referring to the fact Piccolo was a part of the company. That was clear from day one, and if you didn’t get that, then you just can’t read. But to not take responsibility for your own actions and try and put them on me… Seriously!!! I SHOULD BE ASKING YOU WHAT YOU SMOKE BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHETHER HE WAS PART OF THE COMPANY…THE ISSUE WAS IF HE WAS A FRAUD WHO WASN'T SUPPOSE TO BE DOING MLM SO HE USED A DIFFERENT NAME TO GET INVOLVED WITH DNA….YOU NEVER INVESTIGATED THAT SHIT, BUT YOU WAS ALL OVER CHRIS GRECKO LIKE FLIES ON SHIT. YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO PROVE THAT CHRIS WAS A FRAUD, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO PHIL YOU AND YOUR CRACK STAFF BS INVESTIGATORS DIDN'T WANT TO INVESTIGATE HIS HISTORY, INSTEAD YOU WERE TELLING ACCUSERS TO SHOW YOU PROVE, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT INVESTIGATE YOU WISEGUY FRIEND.

    Not sure how you get respectable out of anything we wrote. We made it clear they are high-risk. However, when George Madiou was running things, people were getting paid. After his heart attack, he resigned and left. If you have not been paid, and you are owed money, then you should sue, or if criminal fraud is involved then go file a complaint. NO THEY WEREN'T YOU LYING ASS BASTARD, NO ONE IN MY UPLINE OR DOWNLINE WAS GETTING PAID WHEN YOUR BOY GEORGIE WAS RUNNING THINGS, THE OLD CROOK PROBABLY TOOK ALL THE MONEY HE COULD GET THEN RESIGNED (CLAIMING HE HAD A HEART ATTACK). F THAT OLD TURD, I HOPE HE ROTS IN HELL!

    3. ROFLOL… First of all you keep spelling names wrong, which makes me wonder what you were reading. You really need to take time to read everything, before you spout off. If you take your time and read it all, you will see all the facts, not just little sound bites. As for Piccolo, for months we made it clear we were going to do a live radio show and for folks to call in and confront Piccolo. When the show came around not you or anyone who loves to hide behind fake names showed up. And now you want to whine… YOU DIDN'T SPELL MY NAME RIGHT EITHER DUMB ASS SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT??? EXCUSE ME IF I DON'T FOLLOW A RAT BASTARD LIKE YOU ON A DAILY BASIS! I WASN'T AWARE OF YOUR STUPID RADIO SHOW BECAUSE I STOPPED COMING HERE AFTER MY LAST FEW POST BECAUSE I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. AS FAR AS CONFRONTING PICCOLO, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT HE SAYS, YOU SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING HIM FOR FRAUD AND GIVING THE PEOPLE THE FACTS LIKE YOU DID CHRIS GECKO, BUT YOU CHOSE TO PUT YOUR BUDDY PHIL ON THE MIC TO SPIN US LIES INSTEAD. YOU A REAL PIECE OF SHIT DOOKEY!!!

    4. Fraud… This is great. Please share with all of us, how I am a fraud. Because you did not read the articles and joined a high-risk company, you want to come back and whine. Look sport, you need to man up and be a leader. Not sure where you get your information. But if I am paid by DNA, then please provide the documentation. I have never received any money from DNA or any of its owners and officers. AWWW SHUT THE HELL UP SPORT, YOU KNOW YOU GOT PAID BY GEORGIE YOU LYING ASSHOLE!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE MONEY TO START UP YOUR MLM COMPANY AND WIRELESS COMPANY YOU CHEESY ASS RAT???

    I will continue to Live An Epic Adventure, and I truly hope you take the time to provide facts and documentation and not just opinions. It will be great to review what you provide. KEEP LIVING THE EPIC ADVENTURE BY LYING AND DECEIVING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MONEY. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND YOU CROOK!

    Direct Selling is the great profession in the world if you do it for the right reasons.

    Sport, I hope you can find yourself and come clear with your real agenda is all about. This is not about me, this is about you not making it is a high-risk company, which HYPED there way into MLM history, and then neither you or them made it. HEY SPORT, YOUR MLM COMPANY WON'T BE GOING ANYWHERE EITHER. YOU PROBABLY WILL MILK THAT BUSINESS DRY AND SHUT IT DOWN AFTER YOU'VE CHEATED ENOUGH PEOPLE….JUST LIKE THAT OLD GOAT GEORGIE YOU'RE IN BED WITH!!!

    Living An Epic Adventure,

    LATER JACKASS!!!

  3. FooldedNoLonger,

    Thanks for taking time to express your heartfelt feelings and bring up up to date on things.

    1. We made it clear from day one that the license plate model was flawed and would not work. I which more folks would have realized it earlier.

    2. DNA went by the way side months ago. It was absorbed or some kind of crap with some purportedly public shell, and change the name, shareholder and officers.

    3. What have you been smoking? We have done several reviewed on DNA. Now, I am sure you are referring to the fact Piccolo was a part of the company. That was clear from day one, and if you didn't get that, then you just can't read. But to not take responsibility for your own actions and try and put them on me… Seriously!!!

    Not sure how you get respectable out of anything we wrote. We made it clear they are high-risk. However, when George Madiou was running things, people were getting paid. After his heart attack, he resigned and left. If you have not been paid, and you are owed money, then you should sue, or if criminal fraud is involved then go file a complaint.

    3. ROFLOL… First of all you keep spelling names wrong, which makes me wonder what you were reading. You really need to take time to read everything, before you spout off. If you take your time and read it all, you will see all the facts, not just little sound bites. As for Piccolo, for months we made it clear we were going to do a live radio show and for folks to call in and confront Piccolo. When the show came around not you or anyone who loves to hide behind fake names showed up. And now you want to whine…

    4. Fraud… This is great. Please share with all of us, how I am a fraud. Because you did not read the articles and joined a high-risk company, you want to come back and whine. Look sport, you need to man up and be a leader. Not sure where you get your information. But if I am paid by DNA, then please provide the documentation. I have never received any money from DNA or any of its owners and officers.

    I will continue to Live An Epic Adventure, and I truly hope you take the time to provide facts and documentation and not just opinions. It will be great to review what you provide.

    Direct Selling is the great profession in the world if you do it for the right reasons.

    Sport, I hope you can find yourself and come clear with your real agenda is all about. This is not about me, this is about you not making it is a high-risk company, which HYPED there way into MLM history, and then neither you or them made it.

    Living An Epic Adventure,

    Troy

  4. Hey Dooley,

    I'm back, it's the one year anniversary of my signing with DNA and I'm no better off now than I was a year ago. DNA stopped paying my mere $2 commission back in July and started stretching out the license plate data page from 1 to 15 pages just so that it would take even longer to input 5 plates and force you to sign up for PRO. I stopped processing shortly after that and so did my downline.

    I noticed that no one is talking about DNA anymore, did they shut down as a fraud as expected? You were the lackey of the company and did everything in your power to withhold info, danced around valid allegiations with spin and double talk and made every attempt to make DNA look like a respect company when they're nothing more crooks, con men and probably mobsters.

    I read the story about Chris Gecko, who was shortly injuried in a car accident after his fallout with DNA execs, along stories of murder and gangland style violence. I don't know much about Gecko or this Phil character but it seems to me that they are both con men and criminals and you chose to defend one on a regular basis while discrediting the other every chance you get.

    You give the appearance of being an honest man but your nothing more than a fraud just like the two you did your story on…I just hope your not sociated in their mob like criminal activities as well. It's obvious that you are a paid lackey for DNA and probably other MLM companies too.

    Continue Living the Epic Adventure lackey…it takes a certain kind of person to make money off of people the way you and others like DNA do. Karma is a bitch and I hope your turn is coming around soon.

    Signed,

    The whistleblower – FooledNoLonger

  5. FooledNoLonger,

    I think you don't come around enough to remember what you wrote.

    I was not making a threat, not sure where that came from.

  6. Your name is not real, your email is a throw away… Your IP Address is fully traceable.

    Is that a threat, sport???

    FooledNoLonger

  7. FooledNoLonger,

    Your name is not real, your email is a throw away… Your IP Address is fully traceable.

    But hey, at least you keep this thread alive.

  8. Wallace,

    I never hear of Phil Piccolo until I came here. So this is not a issue with A person, it's the company and how they deceived people into believing that they would pay reps under the Free Program. All their doing is ramming the Pro program down our throats which is 29.99 a month with a 197.00 start up fee. I had no problem with the $2 commission because I was looking at the big picture (getting 100 reps to start) but when they only paid me $2 for my tags and zero for reps I signed up and then changed the pay dates for downline pmts from May to June/Sep then July/Oct and now to tokens instead of money. I hit the roof!!! I can't sign up anyone now because who the hell is going to work for $2 a month and can't collect because of a $35 transaction fee for commission withdraws??? Even people that I met who went Pro are pissed off because they're not getting paid for the Reps they signed up. They stop promoting the business because there's too many negatives about this company. Now Troy Dooley just stated that DNA will not have cell phone plans as a products, something the company didn't announce in their many emails to sign up for the Pro program! As I said…This company is a fraud and it should be shutdown.

    By the way…I didn't even get paid for my $2 this month, I'm sure my downline is not getting paid this month either. The company has screwed us yet again!

    Troy Dooley,

    Welcome to the conversation. Just a quick pass at some of your questionable comments and I'll go to meat and potatoes…ok?

    "When you write, because most folks do not know who you are. Make sure you disclose the fact, you are not a Pro Member, and that with free membership pay is different."

    Dooley, I don't know what to make of this statement…especially when I stated several times that I was under the Free Program are you blind??? I'm aware that the Free program has a different pay plan I posted it in my previous notes…remember??? It's not the pay plan that I'm upset about, it's the fact that DNA is NOT paying it's Reps!

    "If you have lost confidence in our reporting on DNA, why are you still active in the community?"

    Because I think you are spinning the facts like you were paid by DNA to defuse any notion that DNA is cheaping it's reps. I want people to see you backpedal as you defend a cheaping, theiving company like DNA. The only thing missing is a mask and a gun.

    "It is still my professional opinion to pay on the license plates is illegal. If you have not been paid, then maybe Geroge did a double take on the payout."

    He did a double take all right. He still has a Free program for 20 license plates with a $2 monthly payoff, he's still running that program. The only double take he did was stop paying the reps who are still in the program that he is still running!!!

    "So, you want to be very careful what you write or alude to, because it could bite you in the butt, sport. If you write it here, and do not call me personally and say “Thisis off the record” then expect someone to read it."

    My favorite comment of all…You're not very observant, are you? Again, I don't know why you are bringing this up. I have an anonimous name (FooledNoLonger), my email is a throwaway on yahoo and you want to tell me that I should be careful what I write or alude to…ROTFLMAO!!! And don't worry Dooley, I have no interest in calling you. I don't trust you enough to contact you by phone.

    To end my post, I like to post the last email from DNA. While I'm not getting paid, they are ramming that Pro Program down our throats yet again….now they are saying if we don't sign up by 7/12/10 then the monthly fee will go up to 39.99 then 49.99. Look at this email, it's nothing but smoke and mirrors, they want reps to pay up but they are not paying the reps, this big pie in the sky sales pitch is making me sick….

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  9. FooledNoLonger,

    I'm glad you find the link useful. The BBB does an excellent job researching claims for and especially against a business, so it will be interesting to see what develops. Not that this applies to you in the least, but I'm tired of all the whiners and complainers. Most of them seem to have a grudge completely unrelated to the business they're attacking. With DNA most of the grief seems to center around that guy, Piccolo. What amazes me about him, is that were I maligned the way he's been maligned, there are ways to find out who's doing the damage. The truth is always the best defense, and I can't find anywhere that Piccolo has trapped one of the rats in a courtroom of any kind.

    Yeah, yeah… I know what some will say… only the lawyers would get rich. But, even if that were the case, a reputation (to me) is at the top of the list when it comes to protecting one's business assets. I would not tolerate the lies. Fact is, when nothing substantial is done to the liars, it makes one wonder if they're liars after-all.

  10. FooledNoLonger,

    When you write, because most folks do not know who you are. Make sure you disclose the fact, you are not a Pro Member, and that with free membership pay is different.

    I do a have few questions for clarity.

    1. We have told people if they feel fraud is the intent to go file with the AG's office. Why have you waited until now?

    2. If you have lost confidence in our reporting on DNA, why are you still active in the community?

    3. By the way, we have not passed anything to DNA, they come here and read what fols say, so they can correct any errors on their end.

    So, you want to be very careful what you write or alude to, because it could bite you in the butt, sport. If you write it here, and do not call me personally and say "Thisis off the record" then expect someone to read it.

    4. As for cell phones. It was my understanding DNA was not in the cell phone business. I have received some new products they are marketing, which we will review next week. But cell phones were not in the mix. I think the only reason George looked at cell phones was the Greco deal. I'll do a little digging on that one.

    By the way, one question. How can you say any company is commiting fraud, and it surprise you, when you have been reading ALL we have written, and we questioned the license plate collection, the pay plan, and just about everything else? It is still my professional opinion to pay on the license plates is illegal. If you have not been paid, then maybe Geroge did a double take on the payout.

    Second, if the company doesn't allow the reps to sell something the company can't deliver, like cell phones, then it is not fraud. It would be fruad, for you to sell something, and the company not deliver. Then you would also be commiting fraud.

    If it's cell phones you want to market, there are plenty of other companies. However, you will find some of the same frustrations with them you do DNA.

  11. Thank you Wallace. At least someone cares. I will go to that link to report the fraud that is Data Network Affiliates. I've lost all confidence that Troy Dooley will investigate. If anything, I noticed that everything I said was passed to DNA and they tried to cover their asses by changing the payout structure. Now I wonder who told them???

    Signed

    FooledNoLonger

    P.S. We still haven't been paid yet and my downline is getting on me about getting paid because they can't reach DNA. Also, no news on the cell phone plans that we the reps could sell to the public. It was suppose to be announced in May and now June, and now June is almost over and I still haven't heard anything. This company is a fraud and needs to be shut down.

  12. FooledNoLonger,

    Just a quick question. What does the category have to do with anything? Have you noticed ALL the posts are still active for all to read?

    Boy, for a DNA rep, you sure don't have much trust in your company. By the way what does the policies and procedures say about disparaging comments made by active reps?

  13. MORE DECEPTION FROM A COMPANY THAT TROY DOOLEY REMOVED FROM THE SCAM ALERT STATUS….

    HERE IS THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE FOR FREE AFFILIATES:

    REGARDING DATA ENTRY TAG BONUSES-

    We pay $2 for entering 20 tags in a calendar month. We pay up to $2

    (from the advertising pool) for each person in your downline who

    enters 20 tags in a calendar month up to 10 levels when qualified. To

    qualify you personally must enter 20 tags in a calendar month. For 3

    levels you need to personally sponsor 3 people who enter 20 tags in a

    calendar month. For 5 levels you need to personally sponsor 5 people

    who enter 20 tags in a calendar month. For 10 levels you need to

    personally sponsor 10 people who enter 20 tags in a calendar month.

    You earn $2 a month for DATA ENTERING 20 TAGS… The only other

    incentive to enter more than 20 is an incentive to get thousands.

    D.N.A. takes 1% of the gross sales and turns them into Thousand Dollar

    Bills and gives them out to the PRO Affiliates and above for entering

    the most TAGS. Please check the marketing plan on your website. All

    details are there regarding the D.N.A. Compensation Plan.

    UNDERSTANDING THE DATA ADVERTISING POOL-

    ADVERTISING POOL: First we take the $2 for the 20 tags each affiliate

    entered out of this pool. Thereafter for the down line up to 10 levels

    we state up to $2 since 100% of all advertising revenues goes into a

    pool. For each person in your down line for which you qualify who has

    entered 20 tags in a calendar month you receive "One Unit" at the end

    of the month or for now in the start up stages at the end of the

    quarter (March/April/May). We add up 100% of the revenues earned minus

    the $2 that we paid out for personal entering tags and we divide it by

    the number of units earned. The maximum per advertising earned unit

    will be $2.

    Our 1st quarterly earnings will be posted and paid on July 20th, 2010.

    Our 2nd quarterly earnings will be posted and paid on October 20th, 2010.

    Thereafter we will go to MONTHLY ADVERTISING EARNINGS… We plan to

    have over 100 companies paying DNA Affiliates Advertising Pool in

    excess of 10,000 monthly to as much as $100,000 monthly… That alone

    will be a minimum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS MONTHLY to as much as TEN

    MILLION DOLLARS MONTHLY… This does not count the Tens Of Thousands

    of customers that will be paying the Advertising Pool $99 to $990

    monthly…

    Up to $2 bonus system up to 10 levels. In March 2010 there were around

    8000 people who entered data for 20 tags or more. All 8000 people were

    paid their $2 as promised. When we calculated the advertising pool

    that pays out up to $2 it came out to less than 15 cents. We at D.N.A.

    thought it would be unfair to pay out the less than 15 cents and

    choose to combine it with the April and May Advertising pool to get

    the bonuses at least to $1 or more. Please note this was for MARCH

    with less than 400 people who had personally sponsored the 3 or more

    who entered 20 tags to qualify for such a bonus. This decision was

    made with those 400 affiliates best interest at heart.

    The 1st advertising DATA BONUSES will be based on all advertising

    revenues collected from March 11th, 2010 to June 30th, 2010 and paid

    on JULY 20TH, 2010

    NOW I JUST GOT A EMAIL FROM THE COMPANY THAT THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED AGAIN FOR THE FOURTH TIME!!!

    EXCITING NEWS…

    "NEW TOKEN SYSTEM"

    Retroactive FROM DAY ONE…

    DATA ENTER 20 Initial Tags Monthly = ONE TOKEN

    Every 50 Tags Entered Month Thereafter = ONE Token

    RETROACTIVE "Only" For PRO Affiliates…

    INTRODUCING TOKENS FOR PLATES…

    Each month that you DATA ENTER 20 Car Tags = ONE TOKEN. You also earn ONE TOKEN for every person who data enters 20 car tags in your downline up to 10 levels…

    YOU DATA ENTER 20 CAR TAGS OR GO PRO PLUS…

    Personally sponsor 3 who do the same = 3 Levels Of Token Bonuses.

    Personally sponsor 5 who do the same = 5 Levels Of Token Bonuses.

    Personally sponsor 10 who do the same = 10 Levels Of Token Bonuses.

    You will be able to turn Token in for current face value of Advertising pool or hold on to them until the pool grows… You may sell/buy TOKENS to/from other DNA Affiliates…

    https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/919117800

    712-432-0075 PIN# is 195698#

    NEXT BIG CALL: Every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday 8:30pm & 10pm EST and on Every Friday & Saturday at 3pm EST…

    Breaking News DNA Announcements

    Next Webinar Tonight at 10pm EST

    NEXT WEBINAR AT 10PM "SUNDAY NIGHT" Eastern Time June 13th, 2010… Special Breaking News DNA Webinar with MANY BIG BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS… Join us for a Webinar on June 13th, 2010 at 10pm EST…Space is limited. Reserve your Webinar seat now at:

    https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/919117800

    ALL AFFILIATES WILL HAVE UNTIL July 31st, 2010…

    TO DO 1 of 2 of The Following To Stay Active In the DNA…

    #1 DATA ENTER 20 TAGS or

    #2 GO PRO by Selling/Buying a BBB PACK

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    #1 – we had a Major Breakthrough in DATA ENTRY which will calculate from DAY ONE of DNA… And everyone who has DATA ENTERED 20 or more car tags will be rewarded or re-rewarded for their efforts…

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    #2 – we had a Major Breakthrough in PRE-PAID Phones… All phones order should be at your door on MONDAY…

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    =================================================================

    WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED HERE?!? DID SOMEONE GO BACK TO GEORGIE AND TOLD HIM TO REMOVE THE $2 COMMISSION FOR TAG ENTRY AND CHANGE IT TO TOKENS??? IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I HAVE COPIED ALL THE ORIGINAL EMAILS. THEY DON'T STATE WHAT THE TOKENS ARE WORTH AND WHY THEY CHANGED IT TO TOKENS ALL OF THE SUDDEN. SO IT LOOKS I AND MANY OTHERS WILL NOT GET PAID FROM OUR REPS AND THAT ADVERTISEMENT POOL IS A LOAD OF SHIT! DNA SAID THAT THEY HAVE 100 ADVERTISERS DISPLAYING THEIR PRODUCTS IN OUR BACK OFFICES AND THAT ADVERTISING INCOME WILL BE USED TO PAY THE FREE AFFILIATES….I HAVEN'T SEEN NOT ONE GOD DAMN ADVERTISER ON MY BACK OFFICE PAGE WHEN I ENTER IN TAGS, SO IF THERE'S NO ADVERTISERS, THEN THERE'S NO ADVERTISEMENT POOL, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL GET NOTHING FOR ALL THE REPS WE SIGNED UP!!! REPS ARE DROPPING OUT LEFT AND RIGHT, EVEN MY UPLINE (WHO IS A PRO) STOPPED PROMOTING THE COMPANY BECAUSE HE WAS SO DISAPPOINTED AFTER SIGNING 62 PEOPLE AND ONLY GOT PAID $4 FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL TAGS AND NOTHING MORE.

    SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS BULLSHIT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!!!

  14. FooledNoLonger,

    Again, you attack me, and I am not sure why. I am not a part of any company, and when I asked you specific questions for clarification on my part, you get bent out of shape.

    So instead of taking the risk of causing you more frustration, I did not try and help you. My goal is to provide solid information for people to review. My goal is not to explain each companies position or action.

    There is plenty of information on this site regarding DNA, and what is normal business practice within the MLM arena.

    The funny thing is, I think you would be hard pressed to find a Pro Rep of DNA complaining about being charged and not getting paid. You are complaining about making very little, yet you are not willing to invest more to gain more.

    People in this community know where I stand on DNA, and it is not the type of company I would join, even though a good friend is running the company.

    Please show me where George Madiou has ever conned anyone into joining anything? His main company is free to join. As a matter of fact a few years ago he did away with signup fee and just started giving away his magazine. If he is such a con man why does Jeffery Babner one of the most respected MLM attorneys have George speak at each of his MLM events?

    As for Piccolo, like so many others, please provide the valid proof so we can investigate your claim. Please provide how much money you have invested and lost on any scam.

    By the way, if you read my reviews which go back about six months, you will see all the red flags and concerns I have with DNA. Although, I did receive products in the mail today from DNA, so they are selling things to the end users.

    If you need a good attorney to go after DNA, then you may want to contact MLM Attorney, Kevin Thompson

  15. Interesting reply.

    THANK YOU

    Well sport, I was going to take time to respond until I got to the personal attacks.

    PERSONALLY I THINK THE PERSONAL ATTACKS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU'RE NOT RESPONSING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPIN YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE.

    BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW…AFTER I TOOK THE TIME TO CLARIFY MY ACCUSATION AS YOU ASKED, YOU RESPONDED BY SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT MY CONCERNS, THUS CAUSING ME TO CALL YOU A JACKASS OR EVEN AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU CAME OFF IN YOUR RESPONSE.

    At that point I realized you are not really interested in anything I have to say anyway.

    GOT THAT RIGHT. I'M WELL AWARE THAT YOUR SO-CALLED INVESTIGATIVE TEAM IS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS WHILE MANY UNSUSPECTING REP ARE GETTING CHARGED EVERY WHICH WAY TO SUNDAY WHILE THEIR PROFITS ARE NEXT TO NOTHING!

    Based on your frustration and lack of trust with DNA, I would quick deduct your expenses on your taxes and either find a company you can believe in, or find another niche.

    SORRY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO AWAY THAT EASY. YOUR CONMAN FRIENDS MAKE A LIVING OFF OF DECEIVING PEOPLE INTO JOINING MLM SCAM COMPANIES THAT PROMISE A STABLE LIVING BUT IN REALITY THEY'RE BURIED DEEPER INTO DEBT BECAUSE ALL THOSE BULLSHIT FEES ARE MORE THAN THE PROFITS THEY MAKE FROM THE COMPANY. ONLY THE COMPANY ITSELF IS MAKING THE REAL PROFITS WHILE THEY ARE POSTING NAMES OF SUCCESSFUL REPS THAT'S EITHER NON-EXISTANT OR FRIENDS/RELATIVES OF THE COMPANY ITSELF.

    DNA WILL NEED TO SHUTDOWN OR FACE SERIOUS LEGAL ACTIONS…I WILL NOT SIT AROUND AND LET THEM STEAL MONEY FROM IT'S REPS AND NOT PAYING THEM THEIR COMMISSION BECAUSE OF SOME LAME ASS EXCUSE. I'M NOT GOING TO SITTING AROUND AND LET THEM ROB HARDWORKING AMERICANS…LIKE YOU!

    SIGNED,

    FooledNoLonger

  16. FooledNoLonger,

    Interesting reply. Well sport, I was going to take time to respond until I got to the personal attacks. At that point I realized you are not really interested in anything I have to say anyway.

    Based on your frustration and lack of trust with DNA, I would quick deduct your expenses on your taxes and either find a company you can believe in, or find another niche.

  17. “As of today 6/6/10, I still haven’t received commission from the reps I signed up and the reps my reps signed up.” Does this mean you believe DNA is paying you recruiting commissions? If that is the case, then DNA would be an illegal operation at both a state and federal level. This would be seen as a ponzi scheme."

    Ummm Troy (knocking on your forehead), you are friends with one of the executives of DNA and you don't know how they pay their reps??? DNA pays each rep $2.00 for every 20 licenses they enter each month, when that rep signs up a new rep to his downline, when the new rep enters 20 license plate numbers, you get paid $2 for your 20 and another $2 for the new rep totally $4. In otherwords, if I sign up 10 reps and they enter 20 license plate numbers, I would get paid $2 for my 20 and $20 from my 10 reps. If my 10 reps sign up 10 each and everyone enters 20 license plate numbers than I would get paid $2 for me and $200 from my downline…$2 x 100 reps. This can go down to 6 levels. The catch is that you only get paid one time from your downline, so it's not residual income. You would have to sign up 100 reps every month to make $200 a month….Yikes! Why do I have to explain this to you anyway, didn't your pal George tell you already??? Why don't you ask your pal George to show you the agreement, the payout structure is in there sir.

    1. The company made it clear the advertising pool is lower than expected, and they will not pay out $15 per rep. This is not out of the norm for companies. Most have a $25 minimum for payout.

    YES THEY SURE DID, BUT IT WAS $.15 NOT $15 (I'M SURE THAT WAS A TYPO). I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE $25 MINIMUM BUT I NOTICED YOU CONVENIENTLY LEFT OUT THE PART WHERE THEY CHARGE REP $35 FOR A BANK TRANSFER OF THEIR COMMISSIONS…IS THAT THE NORM, SIR? WHY ARE THEY CHARGING REPS $35 FOR BANK TRANSFER OR ASKING REPS TO PAY FOR A DEBIT CARD WITH A .99 TRANSACTION FEE INSTEAD OF JUST SENDING US A CHECK LIKE NORMAL HOMEBASE BUSINESSES DO???

    2. Since you are NOT a pro member, please explain what you have lost? From my limited understanding most of the huge money is going to the Pro Members. Now, although, I do have concerns regarding DNA, this is also a normal practice for companies that offer a free position and a paid position inside the compensation plan.

    WHAT HAVE I LOST YOU ASK? HOW ABOUT THE ADVERTISING COST FOR PROMOTING THIS BUSINESS AND NOT GETTING ONE PENNY BECAUSE I ONLY GOT PAID $4 FOR MY 20 PLATES AND NOTHING ELSE. EVEN IF I GOT MY MONEY IT STILL WOULDN'T COVER MY ADVERTISING COST….WHAT A STUPID QUESTION! I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW A FEW PROS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN PAID FOR REPS THEY SIGNED UP AND YET THEY ARE STILL CHARGED 29.99 A MONTH. THE COMPANY IS GETTING PAID, BUT MOST OF THE HARDWORKING PROS ARE NOT, BUT THEY ARE HOLDING ON TO FAITH THAT DNA WILL PAY THEM….THEY ARE STILL WAITING, JUST LIKE ME!

    3. The reason I have not talked about the cell phone division, is because there is not much to talk about. From what I have read in the rep emails, phone service is active and phones are being shipped. I also read where DNA upgraded referbed phone to brand new phones. What is there to say?

    DUH, THE PHONES ARE FOR THE PROS USAGE NOT FOR PUBLIC SALES. EVERYONE IS WAITING TO SELL PHONE PLANS TO THE PUBLIC AND ALL DNA IS DOING IS SELLING PHONE PLANS TO THE PRO REPS….WHEN CAN WE SELL PHONE PLANS TO THE PUBLIC SO EVERYONE CAN MAKE SOME MONEY? RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY PEOPLE MAKING MONEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS IN THE BOARD ROOM OF DNA!!!

    4. Of course we published your comment, why wouldn’t we? I guess you are new to our community. We post both sides of the issue, and give reps plenty of room to make public their frustrations or praise from the inside of any organization.

    I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU MENTIONED THIS. I NEVER SAID THAT YOU WOULDN'T POST MY COMMENTS. I SAID YOU NEVER RESPONDED TO IT. I MADE POST BACK IN APRIL AND YOU DIDN'T RESPOND, YET ANOTHER MEMBER MADE A POST AFTER ME A FEW WEEKS LATER ABOUT NOTHING AND YOU RESPONDED QUICKLY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO

    5. Sure we moved them out of the Scam Alerts. All this means is based on communication with ownership we have seen changes, or have been given validated answers to our red flag alerts. I also moved DNA because I do have a long term friendship with George and we have been business associates for years.

    YOU HAVE A LONG TERM FRIENDSHIP WITH GEORGE, YET YOU HAVE NO CLUE THAT HIS COMPANY PAYS REPS WHEN SOMEONE THEY SIGN UP ENTERS 20 PLATES AND THAT HIS COMPANY CHARGES A $35 FEE TO WITHDRAW COMMISSIONS OR CHARGE REPS FOR A DEBIT CARD WITH A .99 TRANSACTION FEE. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CONCERN YOU OR EVEN RAISE A RED FLAG THAT THEY CHANGED THE PAYOUT THREE TIMES, FROM PAYING US MONTHLY TO PAYING US IN 6/10 & 9/10 TO PAYING US 7/10 & 10/10. HOW MANY TIMES ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE THE DATES??? EITHER YOU ARE THE DUMBEST LIAISON OR YOU'RE PAID TO DODGE THE REAL QUESTIONS….WHICH ONE IS IT???

    7. You state “yet you made no attempt to investigate the commission payout practices” based on what information do you make this statement? I’m pretty sure you are not part of our investigative team, and don’t have a clue what we are investigating.

    I DON'T HAVE TO BE ON YOUR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM TO KNOW YOU HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED SHIT!!! YOU SAID IT WAS THE NORM TO HAVE A $25 MINIMUM BEFORE WITHDRAWING COMMISSIONS, YET YOU FAILED TO MENTION THAT THERE'S A $35 WITHDRAW FEE FOR BANK TRANSFERS OR YOU HAVE TO BUY A DEBIT CARD AND PAY A .99 TRANSACTION FEE. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE $25 MINIMUM, I WAS QUESTIONING THE $35 FEE AND DEBIT CARD FEE AND YOU DODGED THAT ISSUE COMPLETELY!!!

    8. NO! I am not a watchdog!

    I FIGURED THAT OUT AFTER READING YOUR RESPONSE.

    9. As for your concern about my relationship with member of a company, that is not paying its reps” I really don’t care about your concern. I talk to George on a regular basis and when concerns are raised we call to find out what is up

    OF COURSE YOU DON'T CARE JACKASS, GEORGIE BOY IS PAYING YOU TO DEFLECT CRITIZISM OR LEAST THAT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE BASED ON YOUR RESPONSES. AND APPARENTLY YOU DON'T TALK TO GEORGE OFTEN ENOUGH BECAUSE IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT PAYMENT PLAN FOR DOWNLINES, OR MAYBE YOU DO AND YOUR PAID TO SAY THAT DNA DOESN'T PAY REPS FOR PLATES ENTERED BY OTHER REPS IN THEIR DOWNLINE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL…RIGHT???

    From what you have written here, you have put little or no skin in the game, and I find it interesting you are wanting to attack me, when you won’t even use your real name so I could ask George Specifically about your situation

    I PUT MORE INTO THIS THAN YOU THINK, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY DNA AND HAVE THEM TELL ME THAT I CAN'T GET PAID BECAUSE THE POOL DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. SOME FOOLS JUMP INTO A BOTTOMLESS PIT WITH THEIR EYES CLOSED BECAUSE SOME CON MAN TOLD HIM THAT HE WOULD CATCH HIM AT THE BOTTOM. IN OTHERWORDS I WASN'T GOING TO GO PRO UNTIL I SIGNED UP 100 REPS AND GOT PAID FOR MY WORK AND THEN USE PROFITS TO UPGRADE TO PRO AND PAY THE 29.99. THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. BY THE TIME I REACH 100, I'LL KNOW FOR SURE THAT THIS COMPANY IS FOR REAL OR JUST ANOTHER CON JOB TRYING TO PROFIT OFF OF DESPARATE HARDWORKING PEOPLE AND THEN SHUTTING DOWN AND SNEAKING OFF INTO THE NIGHT AFTER MAKING A FORTUNE OUT OF THOSE DESPARATE PEOPLE JUMPING TO PROS OUT OF PURE FAITH IN A COMPANY THEY NEVER HEARD OF.

    THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T MENTION MY NAME…PHIL PICCOLO SAYS THE SAME THING, ARE YOU TWO FRIENDS??? PHIL WANTS TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO HE CAN SUE YOU. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MY NAME SO THAT YOU CAN SIC GEORGIE BOY ON ME FOR SLANDER? THERE'S NO SLANDER HERE BUDDY, EVERYTHING I SAID CAN BE FOUND IN THEIR AGREEMENTS AND THEIR EMAILS TO THE REPS. YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM SEEING THIS SINCE YOU ARE GOOD PALS WITH GEORGIE, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU ALREADY SAW THE FINE PRINT AND PRETENDING TO BE CLUELESS.

    SINCE TROY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MY CONCERNS, I'VE LISTED PARTS OF THE AGREEMENT AND THE EMAIL ABOUT THE PAYOUT PLAN TO THOSE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS:

    SECTION 6 – BONUSES AND COMMISSIONS

    6.1 – Bonus and Commission Qualifications

    An iRep must be active and in compliance with the Agreement to qualify for bonuses and commissions. So long as an iRep complies with the terms of the Agreement, Data Network Affiliates shall pay commissions to such iRep in accordance with the Compensation

    Plan. The minimum amount for which Data Network Affiliates will issue a check is $25.00. If an iRep’s bonuses and commissions do not equal or exceed $25.00, the Company will accrue the commissions and bonuses until they total $25.00. A check will be issued once

    $25.00 has been accrued.

    HOW INTERESTING…THIS IS THE ONLY THING IN THE WHOLE AGREEMENT ABOUT COMMISSION. THAT EXPLAINS WHY TROY ONLY MENTIONED THE $25.00 MINIMUM AND NOTHING ELSE, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT IT'S THE ONLY THING DISCUSSED IN THE WHOLE 16 PAGE AGREEMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THE ACTUAL EMAIL EXPLAINING THE DOWNLINE PAYOUT:

    THE DNA 1 YEAR GUARANTEE:

    Introducing the $100,000.00 Power Of Free D.N.A. GUARANTEE!

    D.N.A. is the only "MLM FREE WORLD-WIDE" Opportunity.

    YOU JUST SELL FREE – LET D.N.A. DO THE REST…

    THE DNA $100,000.00 GUARANTEE… YOU BUILD A 10 x 6 "100% FREE"… IF YOU DO NOT EARN $100,000.00 WITHIN 12 MONTHS AFTER IT IS BUILT "D.N.A. WILL PAY YOU THE DIFFERENCE"… EVEN IF THEY ALL QUIT… WE ARE SO SURE OF THIS THAT ONCE YOU BUILD IT… WE WILL DEPOSIT $100,000.00 IN A SPECIAL ACCOUNT WITH YOUR NAME ON IT…

    "WHAT IS A 10 x 6 it is the POWER OF TEN by SIX LEVELS"

    THE POWER OF "TEN FREE"

    FIVE "FREE" STEPS TO MEGA SUCCESS

    #1. Sign up for FREE…

    #2. Sponsor 10 or more to Sign up for FREE…

    #3. Teach your 10 to Sponsor 10 or more for FREE…

    #4. Duplicate this up to SIX LEVELS (We Pay To Ten)…

    #5. Everyone enters data on 20 car tags…

    #6. YOU ARE MEGA FINANCIALLY FREE FOR LIFE…

    WORK BACKWARDS:

    How do you get to step #4 is to do #1 to #3…

    How do you get to step #3 is to do #1 & #2…

    SINCE EVERYONE CAN DO #1 & #2…

    THEN #3 & #4 IS A WALK IN THE PARK…

    It may take 4 to 6 months to build the advertising pool but you build free and invest up to 1 hour a day up to 4 days a month imputing 20 car tags and you are DONE… GAME OVER…

    Now is the time to add more people!!!

    THIS IS AN ACTUAL EMAIL FROM YOUR BEST BUD'S DNA COMPANY. THIS IS AN OFFER WITH A $100,000 GUARANTEE FOR FREE, I REPEAT "FREE REPS". YOU WANTED MY EXPLANATION ABOUT THE PAYOUT, TROY? THERE IT IS, NOW WATCHA GOT SAY MR. LIAISON TO GEORGE? NOW THAT YOU SEE IT IN PRINT THAT THE PAYOUT PLAN WAS SETUP LIKE A PYRAMID SCHEME…WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE?

    ONE THING I CAN SAY POSITIVE ABOUT YOU….THANK YOU FOR PRETENDING NOT TO BE AWARE OF THE PAYOUT PLAN, BECAUSE AFTER LOOKING AT THE 16 PAGE AGREEMENT, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY PURPOSELY LEFT OUT THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE FOR THE REASONS YOU STATED IN YOUR OPENING PARAGRAPH:

    "Does this mean you believe DNA is paying you recruiting commissions? If that is the case, then DNA would be an illegal operation at both a state and federal level. This would be seen as a ponzi scheme. Please clarify."

    IT'S CLARIFIED….NOW WHAT?

  18. FooledNoLonger,

    Well, before I can answer some of your questions you need to clarify one specific point. In your comment you state:

    "As of today 6/6/10, I still haven’t received commission from the reps I signed up and the reps my reps signed up." Does this mean you believe DNA is paying you recruiting commissions? If that is the case, then DNA would be an illegal operation at both a state and federal level. This would be seen as a ponzi scheme.

    Please clarify.

    Now let's look at a couple of your concerns.

    1. The company made it clear the advertising pool is lower than expected, and they will not pay out $15 per rep. This is not out of the norm for companies. Most have a $25 minimum for payout.

    2. Since you are NOT a pro member, please explain what you have lost? From my limited understanding most of the huge money is going to the Pro Members. Now, although, I do have concerns regarding DNA, this is also a normal practice for companies that offer a free position and a paid position inside the compensation plan.

    3. The reason I have not talked about the cell phone division, is because there is not much to talk about. From what I have read in the rep emails, phone service is active and phones are being shipped. I also read where DNA upgraded referbed phone to brand new phones. What is there to say?

    4. Of course we published your comment, why wouldn't we? I guess you are new to our community. We post both sides of the issue, and give reps plenty of room to make public their frustrations or praise from the inside of any organization.

    5. Sure we moved them out of the Scam Alerts. All this means is based on communication with ownership we have seen changes, or have been given validated answers to our red flag alerts. I also moved DNA because I do have a long term friendship with George and we have been business associates for years.

    6. You are 100% incorrect when you call me a "watchdog" That is Rod Cook and Ted Nuyten. My goal is to be an advocate for distributors, and a liaison between distributors and companies.

    7. You state "yet you made no attempt to investigate the commission payout practices" based on what information do you make this statement? I'm pretty sure you are not part of our investigative team, and don't have a clue what we are investigating.

    8. NO! I am not a watchdog!

    9. As for your concern about my relationship with member of a company, that is not paying its reps" I really don't care about your concern. I talk to George on a regular basis and when concerns are raised we call to find out what is up.

    In the case of DNA they may communicate with their reps more than any other company out there right now. I was on a DNA webinar this last week and from what I saw, this company, at least at the Pro level is moving forward in good order and people are getting paid.

    From what you have written here, you have put little or no skin in the game, and I find it interesting you are wanting to attack me, when you won't even use your real name so I could ask George Specifically about your situation.

    So, I look forward to getting clarity on your understanding of being paid for recruiting into DNA.

    Living An Epic Adventure,

    Troy

  19. “I have found Phil to be honest, helpful and supportive while imparting to me his knowledge of the MLM business. I find him to be a leader with integrity and one who truly cares and helps others. On several meeting occasions, I witnessed his generosity while he was giving money to people who needed gas for their vehicle or for public transportation, to get home.”

    This is nothing more than lipservice by a friend of Phil or Phil himself. As of today 6/6/10, I still haven’t received commission from the reps I signed up and the reps my reps signed up. I’ve made a grand total of $4 since my sign up 3/3/10. I can’t withdraw it because it requires a minimum of $25 to withdraw and a $35 transfer fee, so it’s just best to leave it there until I get over a hundred so that I don’t have to pay out of my own pocket to withdraw my own commissions, unless I have to have $35 in my account for them to take before I get my commissions that is.

    Now I was finally informed by DNA that due to the small amount of money obtained from the advertisement pool, the payout would be less than $.15, so now we have to wait until 6/20/10 for all commissions made from our reps and then wait until 9/20/10 for the next payout. Because it wouldn’t be fair to the reps to only pay them .15, so they want to build it up and pay out the full amount quarterly not monthly….or at least that’s what they said.

    The lastest email said that the quarterly payouts were moved to 7/20/10 and 10/20/10!!! What the (Edited By Troy) is going on here!!! Are they going to pay us or not??? This is why I didn’t want to sign up for the Pro Level because I didn’t want to pay 29.99 a month and not get my commissions! They are getting paid while the reps are not!

    Even the phone plan keeps getting delayed due to partner disputes within the company. I emailed them about that and all I get is….”Continue to read your email”. This is bull-crap (Edited by Troy)!!!

    Why hasn’t Troy talked about this yet??? I posted a valid comment about DNA in my previous post and got no response. I see that he posted a message after me, yet he never acknowledge my complains against the company.

    Troy, are you too friendly with some of the DNA executives to comment about my legitimate concerns about this company? I notice that you removed them from your scam list and stated that George (the new CEO) was a personal friend of yours.

    You are suppose to be a watchdog for MLM groups, yet you made no attempt to investigate the commission payout practices I addressed in my previous post. Are you a watchdog or not??? I’m a little concerned about your relationship with members of a company that’s not paying it’s reps and you removing them from a scam status too damn quick. If you are an advocate of the company and not a watchdog than please state it, so that I don’t waste my time posting on what I thought was a watchdog blog.

    Thank you.

  20. Pretty lame answer, Phil.

    Do you consider the reps to be 'crazy people" ?

    This "…crazy people are out to get me…." sounds like you need a therapist,..seriously. (I'm not joking)

    Comparing yourself to Peter and Abraham? Puh-leeze!

    Your idol, Trump, has had many many very vigorous detractors, but, he never resorted to using a false identity. He's a man of integrity.

    Like a little kid, you don't answer the question, blame everyone else and try to switch the focus to some other area or person.

    You're the one who chose this path and these actions. Nobody forced you to use a false identity. Nobody forced you to be in any MLM. Nobody forced you to lie the past several months.

    You CHOSE to do it.

    Now, someone is asking why.

    How about the real answer and not this crybaby B.S about "crazy people".

    Is Rod Cook one of the 'crazy people'? How about Ted Nuyten? You called Troy some names over on Nuyten's site, so, is he a crazy, too?

    Just wondering if there is a common criteria for being a member of Phil's "crazy people".

  21. What I see from this whole unfortunate situation is a lack of professionalism. From what I've read and heard, it would seem to me that these two gentlemen, Chris Greco and Phil Piccolo, who both as we all can tell have very strong opinionated views, came to a disagreement. Thus began the smear campaigns from both sides.

    We all know that Greco is a brash individual that has no problem "telling it like it is" no matter how much damage he causes in the process. We have also learned that Piccolo has very strong views and has no problem delivering them to the public with no regard for any kind of "blowback" he may receive.

    There is a reason that most corporate decisions are made behind closed doors… To ultimately protect the individuals affiliated with the company from such situations of disagreement. Hence the use of confidentiality agreements and non disclosures. It is a shame that these two individuals decided to hash out their differences to the eyes and ears of so many people that are truly looking for leadership and integrity.

    I personally feel that these two gentlemen have affected this business very negatively. If i can offer a word of advice to each of these men, it would be to conduct yourselves as the Professionals you are either trying to be or already are. People that are looking for a leader will find one! Sure, they might run to the hype or be convinced this way or that, but in the end, if they don't believe in the integrity of their leader, they will choose another path.

    Integrity is not gained by saying this or saying that. It is gained by putting up solid foudations for people to build on.

    My advice to the affiliates that have been dragged through this mess is to really look at who is driving the ship and chose your leader that way. We know that Chris Greco is CEO of Global Pros. We know that George Madiou is the CEO of DNA. We know that Phil Piccolo is a "very highly paid" consultant to DNA. Find the leaders you can trust and begin building your business.

    I believe that both of these companies have potential to make a lot of people a lot of money. It's still early. Whichever path you choose, be patient. Rome was not built in a day, and you will not become a millionaire overnight! However, if you stay the course, make sound decisions, and work hard…. the riches will follow!

  22. wow full of maggots eh… what is your id# i will ask the company to process your refund… did you even request one… we did not lie about the phone deal we were the ones lied too… everyone who paid 10 cents for phone agreements is being 100% refunded plus DNA is paying out an additional $50,000 to these people…

    You are the maggot here… you do not think people need health benefits…

    And at the PRO level they are FREE…

    Ameri-Plan has built a mega million dollar company on just health benefits…

    and by the way DNA is back in the phone business with the best package in the country… Not even the lying fraudulent Chris Lying Greco can compete with… $39.95 unlimited everything…

  23. Can you tell me why Peter Denied he knew Christ 3 times?

    Can you tell me why Abraham said his wife was his sister?

    Both times they were dealing with crazy people they were concerned

    what others would do… for Peter he just saw a mob wanting blood from

    someone who never did no wrong to anyone… for Abraham he heard that

    the King if he knew Sarah was his wife would kill him for her…

    These are two great men of integrity but they were dealing with crazy people…

    The internet is the wild wild west and people with no names and faces can

    destroy your name with hearsay…

    I do not have an unpaid parking ticket in this industry but crazy people and

    i mean crazy people are out to get me…

    Where are their names… they are as bad as the people who hide behind mask

    and cut peoples heads off…

  24. Interesting,

    If this is the case, then they might be in the clear.

    Thank you for the kind words. In the beginning I knew we wanted a community where distributors could speak their mind, ask the hard questions, and together as a collective voice, have the companies and founders listen to these concerns. In some cases we have given a little to much leeway at times and had to pull some things in.

    However, for the most part, even those who may disagree with us, have given solid input for folks to think about.

    I am glad you are part of our community. Your voice of reason is a very valuable asset to all.

  25. Thanks Troy,

    I believe the amount they pay is $2 to every affiliate that enters 20 tags in a month, not per tag. From what I hear, that $2 comes from the revenue generated from selling the ad space on the website, not from the tags themselves. Not sure how this sits with the lawmakers, but i'm sure we'll find out!

    By the way, I happened across your site about 2 weeks or so ago and I love the conversations back and forth. I consider myself to be a logical, investigative thinker and this debate has got me hook line and sinker. The saying goes "The proof is in the pudding." and I can't wait to see how all this turns out.

    Thanks for providing a forum for people to speak and ask important questions!

  26. Interesting,

    Great insight, thanks for sharing. Since the DNA website talks about paying reps around $2 per license plate entered. I still have concerns on the FTC and AGs liking this situation.

    I do like the fact, they are not selling the database. I just don't want to see the distributors get rolling, then have the feds or state come in and shut it down because of the plates.

    I fully understand your question about the "Warren Anthony" issue. I did put a call into Phil, and have told him he does need to address the issue.

    I'm a firm believer, if folks are authentic, answer the hard questions, and when necessary ask for forgiveness, and find good accountability partners, their teams will forgive them and move forward. As long as they keep their word.

    Hopefully, we will get some solid answers soon. Either from these guys, or from the courts.

    Thank you for your continued support, and value you add to the community.

  27. Hey Troy,

    I was listening in on a conference call with DNA that had corporate on the line, It is to my understanding from what I heard that DNA is not selling the tag information, they are donating the database to certain organizations to view for free. The money they get and are paying out to affiliates is from an advertising monies they get from ads being run in affiliates back offices.

    Don't know the legalities of that but if there is no money exchanging for selling the tags it should be exempt from the first concern of selling them.

    Speaking of DNA, Piccolo is sure dodging my questions as to why he was working under the assumed name of "Warren Anthony". It is unfortunate that he isn't taking this opportunity to clear himself or help affiliates with DNA understand his reasons. I could see DNA losing more and more affiliates over this because he isn't giving reasons. It would be unfortunate for DNA, if they get some things going, to lose affiliates due to Piccolo.

    It amazes me how the two gentlemen, Chris Greco and Phil Piccolo, do not respond when asked the hard questions that can't be stepped around with more cheerleading.

    Chris – Where were the companies previous to AKW? Where are the filings? What is your MNVO under?

    Phil – Why did you assume the name "Warren Anthony"?

    Cmon guys! You've been burning up the blogs with cheerleading and bashing one another. These are the questions people want to know!

    Thanks for all the hard work and dedication Troy.

  28. James,

    Thanks for stopping by. You hit my concern on the head. In reading through both the federal laws and state statutes, my limited understanding is as follows. The state owns the data, they can't sell the data, and it may be a crime for a 3rd party to collect and sell the data to the 4th party.

    This is why I have tried to make it clear to all distributors, check your local, state and federal laws before just collecting the data and getting paid for it.

    What I am afraid of, is if a distributor gets hit with a civil or criminal charge the companies will not stand behind them in this situation.

  29. Hi Troy,

    I have to say that you are a clear breath of fresh air when it comes to telling it like it is.

    Up until the first of this year I had no Idea what a MLM Was. I was introduced to DNA from a girl friend ans signed up for free. I have been putting the tag numbers in and have 4 people under me.

    Now for the question:

    I found your site and watching your videos I picked up on the Privacy Act you were talking about. I see you are in Florida, Same as me and I went on a search for the Drivers Privacy Protection Act.

    I found a web site that refers to the federal law about Automobile Information. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 123 > S 2721 and several Florida Cases Filed on the Subject.

    Web Site http://epic.org/privacy/drivers/

    Federal Law and some Case law in support of it. All related to Florida.

    I have read all I can on it and it's very unclear to me if it is unlawful for people to collect and add Car Tags to a database. It appears to be that the law is really specific about what the State can do with the Information. I did pick up on one interesting thing and that is that if the database was supplied to the consumer for free it was permissible. Otherwise you could be Fined.

    Like you say this is a gray area that makes me feel very uncomfortable. Do you think it would be possible to have your legal team look at this aspect of the program and maybe feed back some information on the subject. I really do not wish to cause any problems for me and my down line.

    I have not at the time purchased the Pro Kit as I would like to make sure this is a legal thing to do.

    Great job of reporting

    James M

  30. I can't make decisions based on heresay, rumors and opinions based on heresay and rumors. If there is no solid proof that Phil Piccolo is a scammer, then I'm not concerned about doing business with DNA. Many people don't use their birth names in the public arena. I know many who don't. There are no red flags because they use a different public name. So what!!! For people wondering why it is taking so long for DNA Cellular to be launched, I would say to have patience. Sometimes new change brings a need to balance unexpected circumstances. For people who bought the business builder package just so they could by a $10 phone plan, I would say that the company didn't ask you to buy the plan for that purpose. The BBP was marketed, it seemed, for people who want to go into the MLM business with an opportunity to maximize their earning potential with the DNA opportunity, as well as to invest in receiving the benefits that come with that package. If you bought it for any other reason, then that should be your problem. If they decide to give you your money back, then that would be very generous on the company's part, because they don't owe you that, IMO.

    I'm glad, Troy, that you are keeping an eye on things, because I would want to know if there is any red flags. I'm glad we have someone, like you, to help us weigh the facts, and to weed out the rumors. Blessings!

  31. Philip, I had posted this in another blog but I think this is the more appropriate place for it. Can you explain why you chose to use the name "Warren Anthony" to the affiliates of DNA? If in fact this is the case. I think if the people on here see your side of the equation it might help shed some light.

  32. Interesting,

    Thanks for this info. Here is what we found.

    First organic post.

    Wireless Adviser – 2005

    MobilePro Corp – We found a MobilePro Corp, but they do not seem to be in Wireless period.

    We also found a Mobile Pro Corp in NC, that has two sprint stores listed under the name Davel Communication Inc.

    We also pulled a list of MVNO's from Telecompaper.com it does show a Mobile Pro Corp with a planned MVNO. And it does show some current dates, which causes us to feel this company never launched or were approved for a MVNO.

    For kicks we even pulled Wikipedia for an answer. Still no Mobile Pro Corp. So we pulled another Wikipedia page. Still no go.

    So, maybe folks can get us another name, or Greco will come through with the real name of the MVNO where his S-Corp is the owner, and he is a controlling stockholder.

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  34. Troy, I know that Chris had made a comment for distributors to look up "Mobile Pro" on the list of MVNO companies to prove to distributors that the MVNO existed. Have you tried to contact Mobile Pro to check the validity of this example?

  35. By any chance was Dan Hesse from Sprint on the call to explain who his close friend did not have an active MVNO?

  36. Erick,

    You are correct. However, these companies don't seem to own the MVNO license from the research we have done. And as for AKW that is not a company it is a dba for Unlimited Wizard.

    Again, all I want is the name of the company who owns the MVNO so we can use the 3rd party sites to prove ownership and to validate Chris is a shareholder of the company.

  37. Erick,

    Seeing the documents is cool. But I want the name of the company who owns the MVNO licenses, so we can verify through third parties the licenses are still good and active.

    As for having an "account rep" on the phone or calling a number answered with the company name is not as important to me, as if you personally took the account rep's name down and call the public number to verify the person works for the company. Since Chris "owns" stores how do you know the account rep did not work for Chris and answered a specific phone with the company name? Can you give a little more details?

    I look forward to seeing the documents. I know I am about to put up a little over 80 documents myself in the next few hours.

  38. Troy you should see the Documents that were just shown on the Global Pros Webinar, WOW, MVNO with Sprint, though inactive its there, MVNO with Verizon, Active, And also he had an Account Executive on the phone from the Carriers, Who gave there phone number which went too… Yup Verizon, Chris has shown me hes for real.

    Also He said on the call that MLMwirelessnews and you were going to see the docs.

    WOW

  39. Chris has said this on his calls multiple times that Unlimited Wizard Cellular Owns all the companies involved, Prexar, Mobile, AKW, C-Soultions. I know this and troy I have gone back on your blog and seen it multiple times, Guess were not looking at older posts huh?

  40. George didn't appear until after Blechman quit over there being some 'back-door guy'.

    Phil's home phone number was on the original domain registration. (before it was switched to Cayman's.)

    I have an email from the former hosting company that 'removed' themselves from the fray, due to a previously unknown 'silent partner' issue (dated Feb. 28th, 2010)

    "I am sorry DNA put all of us into this situation and I am dong all I can to do what is ethical."

    'When we first investigated DNA there was no way to know there was a silent partner."

    "Since we were in DNA on day one Rod was not aware of it yet. But within a week he did his through investigation and posted the results to his well know highly respected site……The correct URL is http://www.MLMwatchDOG.com"

    Also, if you can get your eyeballs on any old MyWFL emails, you'll see that they are dead-copies , syntax and format-wise of all things DNA.,….from the beginning.

    So, unless the secret email writer just happened to copy Phil's old Mywfl letters, right down to the 'box' around the emails,.., screaming capitals, and same-old, same-old 'products', (including the travel package and the 'dollars', ).it's been Piccolo from Day One.

    Perhaps someone (ahem,…Troy?) could ask Blechman who hired him?

  41. Chris,

    I'm a little confused. All I asked for was the name of the company holding your NVMO. Since you have on more than one occasion throughout the last few months on this blog that these licenses are public record, I don't understand why you can't just give a straightforward answer?

    I will gladly look over any NDA you want to send my way troydooly@mlmhelpdesk.com

  42. Eric Collins,

    This is a great idea. If a class action suit is filed then ALL parties have to come clean. Plus the class would be MLM Wireless reps, which means EVERY single wireless company who offers a mlm compensation structure will be named in the suit.

    This would take this debate out of the hands of public opinion into a Court of Law. Now this truly may get MLM attorney Kevin Thompson's attention.

    Just think, of what this might do for distributors?

  43. Concerned MLMer,

    Sorry to disappoint you, but we acted the question all through the GV issues, and funny thing is Chris himself has asked this same question and made it clear over the last few months the MVNO licenses are public information. I find it odd, he wants to check with his counsel before answering the question directly.

    I still stand by my statement "There are not saints only players!" Being a player and purposely infiltrating companies and field organizations on the intent of hurting their reputations in order to gain market share is not how we do business in MLM.

    Although, only time will tell how this turns out in the long run, my next post will reveal some interesting documents we have just received.

    You are correct you are not the first. However, both of you seem to be distributors in a wireless company.

    I love your thoughts, and it gives solid views from both sides. Great job.

  44. Anyone have an answer?

    Was Phil hired, or is he the majority owner who “hired” himself? Which 3 companies? Was George a Co-Founder of DNA?

  45. Hey Troy,

    I will defer to Chris as far as 'proving' he is in fact an MVNO. From what I understand, this has never been challenged and in some of your previous GV posts, it seems you did enough research yourself to reach the conclusion he had an MVNO agreement in place.

    I am not speaking from personal knowledge when I say anything about Phil Piccolo, that it why I have chosen to say very little directly about the man. My comments were about Phil using an alias to deceive people. I will admit you are 100% correct and your argument about using an alias would hold up in a court of law. It is not illegal to use an alias or to do business under an alias and there are many valid reasons to do so. I tap…no mas…

    However, we are far from a court of law here and much more in the court of public opinion. It would be like seeing someone near a bank with a ski mask on and making an argument that it is perfectly legal to wear a ski mask in public. You would be right, but you would also be extremely naive (which I know is not the case for you, Troy) to not immediately make the connection between the ski mask and a potentially bad situation. Phil Piccolo is using an assumed name as the potential 'mastermind' behind a new MLM company. Please Troy; don't insult your readers' intelligence. Make the connection instead of pointing out it is ok to wear a ski mask in public.

    As for Chris, I will reference one of your posts during the GV time frame. You said something to the effect that there are no saints, only players. I would agree 100% with that assessment. Chris is a player, albeit an aggressive and oft-times foul-mouthed player, in an industry that is simply not used to that type of behavior. Chris is not trying to bring another highly controlled wellness product to market or some new gadget that no one else can make. These are some of the tried and true protections MLM companies have had and so they are afforded the comfort of pushing the product in a slow, methodical and usually very friendly way. Welcome to the MLM version of the wireless wars where Chris is front and center as a general on the front lines and he is taking no prisoners it would seem. Wireless service might well be the largest continually consumed commodity item ever, not just in network marketing. We will see what the Price Wars will bring once the big boys submit a few more quarterly reports that have new service contracts and the associated profits going down, but pre-paid service steadily going up.

    I'm not going to bite on your list of people that have used an alias. I stand behind my statement above about how flimsy I think your whole validation of that is in this particular situation.

    It was not necessary, but the apology was appreciated. When I stated in my previous post that it was getting personal, I was talking about with me specifically because I felt your statements about me crossed the line. I know I have made statements suggesting you were impartial, but in that case I was being very specific to our dialogue.

    Also, after doing some research on your site, it appears I am not the first person to take on the mantle of 'Concerned MLMer.' My very first post ever on your site was in response to your story on Chris that went up Monday night. I'm not sure if that helps or hurts my credibility, but just thought you should know.

  46. Troy I am more than happy to have you inspect the license and paperwork not just for that but for all of my agreements, Of course Counsel will have to have you sign an NDA, but hey I am good with that. But yes We are building this on having the Best price and highest commissions period, Also I have mentioned Both licenses my corporation has bought, Why on an s-corp, Because the company has the liability, not the individual, C-Corps the person can still secure assets, In an S-Corp if you default to the carrier they can recoup loss via company liens, Thats why, This is thanks to Amp’d Mobile, and why panther has had to get incorporated. So thats my advice, Want to even consider being looked at by the big four, Get an S-Corp.
    Newer site is up with Plans and Packages!

  47. comment came in on our blog http://www.mlmwirelessnews.com that is interesting

    ======

    Paul (unregistered) wrote:

    – "how about a class action lawsuit against DNA for fraud?? " –

    It is obvious that DNA cellular affiliates are being stalled out, thats why the date for launch keeps moving and there is not one ounce of information on DNA back offices on what you can promote Cellular wise, how much , when, and why and how…THERE IS NOTHING! I was listening in on a "training call" again tuesday night hoping for some info, not a word. Just Lionel and all the other Honchos on there repeating over & over to each other like a broken record about "how excited they are…" " how big this is"… yet no valuable information or mention of Cellular.

    So they open up the phones for Q & A, and I was going to ask them about all of this as in Why there is no info at all, nothing, but some other guy beat me to the punch and asked all the "RIGHT" questions…

    too bad those hacks didnt have answers. All they said was "those are very good questions" and we will have answers in a few days watch your backoffice".

    IN a few days ???? The phreeking DNA cellular is supposed to Launch in a few days ! You'd think they would want their PRO affiliates like me who are internet marketers already primed and setting up shit to drive a ton of Business to them for Launch day… but NOOO … not a peep.

    I read of a rumour of a class action lawsuit against DNA on a blog a couple of days ago over this… if it isnt true. Maybe we should start one. I do some web marketing for a Legal group of attorneys. If anyone is interested and feels scammed, hit me back here and let me know who among you feel scammed and have lost money on DNA. If they dont refund this week. We should file some kind of legal action due to fraud. Im pissed.

    Is anyone else here pissed too? Oh yeah, one last thing… I feel Chris Greco has shown to be a stand up guy as in he walks it like he talks it.

    I just want to say thanks to Chris for telling it like it is. Thanks Chris Greco.

  48. Chris,

    You have missed the point. We did the research and fully understand how the licenses are awarded. However, in reaching the MVNO licenses we did not find your name listed on any of the corporate filings.

    Can you provide the legal corporate name the MVNO license can be for under? This will go a long way in validating your position.

    Interesting on the S-Corp, who not a regular C-Corp?

    This may be the first time I have ever seen a company trying to build in MLM based on price, it should be interesting.

  49. Troy, If you have done ANY research you would know that not one MVNO license is in a persons name, Also carriers prefer an S-Corporation. This is all thanks to Amp'd Mobile.

    But thanks for the comment, If you saw the site today troy you would see the first people getting their Phones and loving it, also you would see the new products launched today!

    Of which you can not find on the market right now, Further I have cut prices by 20.00 or more to do what I do best take market share, Again I challenge all of these companies to try and compete, And at the same time put all of the air time money into their comp plan, I wonder why we can do it and no one else, Maybe because we have what we have. I told people it was coming now its here. The 400lb gorilla has walked through door phones and all.

  50. LIAR,

    Your math is off, but your not alone, most people quote the 3% quote without realizing it is incorrect. However, I do understand your frustration. I'm not going to change your mind, but you and others can make money in MLM with the right company. Please don't turn your back on this great profession because of what you have been through. Take some time off, then find a company with a product or service you will use even if there was no compensation plan. Direct Selling Association

    As for the Cell Phone side of things… Correct me if I am wrong, but DNA is still there, Greco left and took his cell phone opportunity with him. Seems you are barking at the wrong group.

    As for a refund or filing a complaint… Not sure on the refund issue, but you can file a complaint at the Florida AGs office.

    My post about Phil Piccolo was for folks to provide us with documented evidence Piccolo has been involved in any type of illegal activities. This includes past and present investigations, charges, convictions or any civil issues where individuals or a class as filed suit.

    So, if you have or come across anything on Piccolo please pass it to us.

    Living An Epic Adventure,

    Troy

  51. Hi Troy,

    (Only Liars and Cheaters will make it in mlm) The 3%er

    I'm a Pro Affiliate for DNA. The reason I upgrade was for the phone deal which was nothing but a total lie. Is there a way I could get my money back or I place I could file a complaint on this company? You had a post a week or two ago saying that if Phil had ever hurt or help anyone personally to let you know. Well, if he is the owner then he is hurting me right now, not only financially but my moral too. Also, I believe that I'm not the only one in DNA that felt this way. Troy, what pisses me off the most right now is. Not only did they lie and make outrageous claim about the phone deal but now they are talking about health care and dental care. I don't care about any of that nor anything else from that company anymore. I just want to let all the new online networker out there know what this company is all about. Nothing but "GARBAGE FULL of MAGGOTS""

    DNA(Do Not Apply) if you don't want to waste your time or money

    p.s. Troy, I've been following your post here for three weeks now and you're doing a great job of giving us your unbias opinion on companies and people. ( thanks)

  52. Troy you said it…

    "Wow Mobile have the best marketing plan" (true 3=FREE),

    Not to mention a great comp plan too!

    Troy Perhaps do a wireless shootout on the marketing plans and comp plans of all wireless mlm's out there….after all this is the important stuff…

    Lets line the them up point for point…dollar for dollar…nuts in bolts stuff

    this is what car and driver does, consumer reports and top mags…they show the important stuff to the Consumer/Dist…

    Sure there are other important things list them too.

    Lets get a official #1, #2, #3 etc.

    Keep it REAL….

  53. Comparing Mother Teresa to Phil Piccolo.

    First, if you know anything about Roman Catholicism and the postulancy, Mother Teresa is not her 'pseudonym',..it is her NAME. She took vows wherein all her worldly possessions, INCLUDING her birth name, were no longer ,..hers.

    Hence, Agnes no longer existed. ONLY Mother Teresa (or Sister Teresa as she was at the time)

    I also don't remember Mother Teresa running an MLM, or asking people to send her money when she had several FAILED businesses in her wake.

    In all honesty, Troy, I find this comparison to be somewhat offensive.

    The Jewish families were protecting their loved ones from the actions of a tyrant.

    Is there a tyrant after Piccolo?

    How can you compare these oppressed and terrorized people to Piccolo?

    Again, it's offensive.

    Very poor and unfortunate analogies.

    You're grasping at straws, here.

  54. ConcernedMLMer

    A few questions based on your comment.

    1. You state "Greco is an MVNO" Can you provide the name his license is under? Throughout the last few months we have yet to see the actual name of either of his companies listed on an MVNO list.

    2. How do you know "Piccolo" is using an assumed name because "his name is not trusted"? Has he stated this, or is this a personal dedication on your part? Several high ranking business people, Heads of State, and spiritual leaders have run their organizations under assumed names. Each person has their own reasons, and you may be 100% right, just wanted to know where this statement comes from.

    3. As for "blogging anonymously" it seems the same exact statement could be said in this situation. You ro anyone who blogs under an assumed name is doing so because your name sir name is not trusted."

    4. As for getting personal. That is a great thought… NOPE! Otherwise I would never have published anything. If you have followed us, or know me personally, you know I am very transparent and have no problem with people calling me out of things. When wrong we correct things, when I offend people I try to make it right. I do realize some folks want to give Greco a pass, while bringing up the same old story on Piccolo. Seems a little strange.

    5. Let's look at your statement on how I handled Greco and DNA, and your belief I handled both differently. You are correct. We provided facts and opinions on the DNA issue, and also provided links to very well respected Watch Dog sites on the Piccolo issue. Since I did not know Phil Piccolo, there was no way to report any facts. I now know Phil Piccolo a little bit, and have known George Madiou for years. Now I can post more facts. And even with my friendship I have not taken down any of my concerns or previous posts.

    Now, as we look at the Greco situation. I gathered months of data tracking similar patterns between each company. I received several emails from a porpourted "Dan Hesse" within moments of receiving emails from Greco. Although the emails from "Dan Hesse" always originated out of Canada, we took them and added them to the pot based on the fact Greco stated Hesse was contacting us personally. I talked to all the CEOs involved with each company and each had the same story. Yet, without solid proof, we did not post. When the recording became public and it validated several lies based on the written statements and phones calls from the respective CEOs, we posted.

    In reality all Chris has to do to vindicate himself and have me print a retraction, is to get George Madiou, Randy Jeffers, Dave Manning, Harry Aston, Dallin Larsin and BK Boryeko to send me certified letters, stating everything Chris said they have done is true, and in the case of Dallin and BK, that in reality they have come to his for the salvation of their companies.

    Since Chris has called himself the "Saddam Hussein" of Wireless, this should be a small task, and by Monday we should have these documentations in hand, and a retraction in the works.

    I understand your comment on the use of an obvious alias. However, I am not sure I see the connection here. As a matter of fact some folks wonder if Chris Greco is a real name or an alias, because no one has found an MVNO in his name or associated with his name.

    But, the following people also used alias's and the common folks would not have known these were aliases:

    David Kotkin – A world famous illusionist who has been charged with sexual assault, under his alias David Copperfield.
    James Alfred Wight – A world renown veterinarian who's real name is James Herriot, I wonder if he was trying to deceive someone?
    Andreas van Kuijk – I wonder if he knew all along people would think he was the reason Elvis died? We know his as Col. Thomas A. Parker Elvis's long term manager.

    Here is the one which puts a huge hole in your deception theory…

    Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu – Exactly who was Mother Teresa!

    In each of the above cases, it is very clear, the alias is NOT the name of the real person, just like ConcernedMLMer is not your name.

    From what I have read across the net, I am pretty sure you are on the right track with Piccolo. However, since we don't know for sure, maybe there is another reason. Maybe he wants to protect his famly, not "deceive" people because of some hidden agenda.

    I agree my comment did come across harsh, and for that I respectfully apologize. You have always created great stimulated conversation here in the community, and many times I have seen exactly where you are coming from. And like in this thread, I am sure you are close to the truth. But, folks should also realize there are many reasons people use aliases, some good and some deceptive.

    Many Jewish families across the world, used aliases during WWII, all with the intent to protect their families, not to deceive people for some crime.

  55. Major Breakage,

    All this on Piccolo is old news. WOW, I hope Phil doesn't report that phone stolen now that Chris has openly shown he has possession of it. Make you wonder why a "scammer" would give a stranger his personal phone with family pictures in it? And since the phone is in the possession of someone other than the owner any emails or purported emails would need to be checked for forged headers to confirm where they came from.

    According to Greco in an email sent to us, the phone you are referring is an old sprint phone which had been turned off for a while. So when you say "from distributors" of which company are you referring?

    I have heard several audios, which have been making their rounds. What I find interesting in all of this, is Greco claims "violation of telecommunication laws" by airing his "private" conversation, and how he has his attorney working on legal action, Yet, he is now doing the same thing.

    Boy, this sure is an interesting situation to say the least. Talk about calling the kettle black.

  56. Major Breakage,

    I would be real careful about posting a snapshot of a matrix which may or may not be accurate. Since the site that matrix came from is not the main Panther Site, you may be posting off a test server, and that along with this comment and Greco's possession of the information after his break from Panther could open some legal battles you do not want to touch.

    So, time will tell. However, always look at the source of the info. As a matter of fact you may want to call Kevin or Harry and talk directly with them.

  57. From the desk of George Madiou, "In regard to Phil Piccolo, it is no secret that Phil Piccolo is a lead consultant to the D.N.A. corporate team and we are happy to have him on our team. As far as my D.N.A. Corporate team is concern, we do not judge people by what others say about a person, especially on the wild wild west of the Internet, but by the content of their character and their accomplishments. We hired Mr. Piccolo for his genius ability to develop the best compensation plan for our affiliates and his incredible leadership and customer relationship ability. I have also known Mr. Piccolo personally for years and know him as a man of integrity and have watched him help 3 different companies reach the billion dollar level..Aim High!

    George Madiou

    CEO and Co-founder

    Data Network Affiliates "

    Was Phil hired, or is he the majority owner who "hired" himself? Which 3 companies? Was George a Co-Founder of DNA?

  58. Chris agreed that he said what he said, not that he agreed with your assessment of the organization. There was a context to the call that he was 3 wayed in, that has not been brought to light. Not saying that explains or excuses the whole call.

  59. Also Troy even with this new post you seem to deflect the issue at Greco when People actually want to know what happened with Phil Piccolo, I also saw he is using the name John Nocton, I just got off a Webinar With Cris Greco and many others, He showed us the phone from Piccolo, it had pictures of Piccolo in it with his family and his kids, over 100, so its no chance they were put there, Also there were some Damning Emails on the phone from people asking why they never received and Commission checks, This is plain silly, We hope that you are more forth coming in the future. I only say that Troy because now a few thousand people have given their money to Phil Piccolo.

    But please dont get sucked in by Piccolo Troy, Also Have you Talked to Greco since the post? we wanted to know if you heard the audio he has been playing on the Webinars? It may shed some light on this situation, And when can we expect a post on this MAJOR BREAKAGE at panther mobile?

  60. Troy with all that happened with the Phil Piccolo Fiasco, We hope you address this issue. This is just Wrong Troy, here is what I found at MLMWirelessNews.com

    Breaking News, Panther Mobile has top 3 levels secured by the company, Major Breakage by the company. Distributors Want answers!!

    April 29, 2010

    This came to us from an associate in another wireless mlm, This Greatly Disturbed us and we want to address it now. We all know that companies have Breakage, and have postions, But this is the FIRST MLM COMPANY I have seen hold the Top 3 Levels as has Panther Mobile, We are consulting with Counsel before we post the Matrix up from Panther Mobile, I can say We have seen it with our own Eyes, all except 2 postions are held by the company on the first three levels, This really doesnt look good for Harry, Kevin, and the Team at Panther. This info was given to us yesterday after the audio of Chris Greco let the cat out of the bag on a blog post on Troy Doolys MLM HELP DESK, Now Troy has been the victim of some recent controversy and we are breaking this story as Again it looks as if Troy is letting his friendship with Harry Aston affect his decision making process to report things like this.

    We will post the images in an Image post Just so you can see what we have got for youself, It is a sad day in MLM wireless when all of this comes out. We will continue to keep you posted on this Breaking Story. Harry Aston and Kevin Sipe were not available for comment.

    Posted by MLM Wireless News Eric Collins. Posted In : Panther Mobile

  61. Admin comments:

    We from Business For Home.org like MLM and Direct Selling; but we don't like scammers and will reveal the truth:

    Phil Piccolo is involved in D.N.A. also known as Data Network Affiliates.

    Phil Piccolo = John Nocton (junior)

    How do we know?

    Phil did send a couple of comments on this webpage ( see below) and so "John Nocton"

    Here is a part of the comment:

    ——————————

    From The Desk Of John Nocton

    JohnNoctonJunior@gmail.com

    Personally I am glad because he (Admin: so Phil Piccolo) turned over all of his data

    bases and contacts to me. I got into D.N.A. and have been working with Joe Reid for a while.

    ————————————————–

    The mistake Phil Piccolo is making: As the admin for businessforhome.org I can see that both above comment as the comments Phil makes earlier are coming from the same IP adres, meaning the messages and comments are send from the same computer….. In this message he confirmed he is involved. Even if John Nocton exist then he is working with the same computer as Phil……

    Details: Author : Phil Piccolo (IP: 65.34.181.54 , c-65-34-181-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)

    Detail: Author : John Nocton (IP: 65.34.181.54 , c-65-34-181-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)

    IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN D.N.A — GET OUT….

    This is from home based business's site and they are breaking that Phil is now using this name as well

  62. A little background. I am with Global Pros, for the record. I am relatively new to MLM, but have extensive knowledge and experience in traditional business on every level from entry to Director to owner/entrepreneur and have been a successful business owner for the last 5 years. You have my IP address, so you know I use Bellsouth.net and hail from Southeast Florida.

    I could actually care less about Phil Piccolo, do not know the guy and haven't said anything derogatory about him. My statement was that you, as an independent distributor advocate, should have handled the very MLM Newsworthy story of Phil more directly. That is all.

    Of course I am concerned about Chris Greco right now, but he is an MVNO, which to my knowledge makes him unique in the MLM arena. I have grave concerns about a CEO as reckless with his words and image as he is, but I still believe 100% in the opportunity that is being presented to bring wireless to network marketing through a true MVNO.

    This seems to be getting personal with you and you are making some analogies that are just ludicrous. To blog anonymously should not be compared with running (or helping to run) an organization under an assumed name because your real name is not trusted. The truth in this case would have mattered. DNA reps were intentionally misled.

    I am not saying Phil Piccolo is good, bad or otherwise because I have no personal knowledge of the man; what I am saying is that you have an obligation to stay impartial and report the newsworthy happenings in this industry. In this case, there is a huge disparity between how you are blasting away at Greco and how indirectly you handled the DNA deception. Yes, there was deception and I know someone will post this, so I will save you the time.

    Taken from thefreedictionary.com :

    deceive [dɪˈsiːv]

    vb (tr)

    1. to mislead by deliberate misrepresentation or lies

    I am blogging under an alias, but it is very clear that my name is not Concerned MLMer nor am I trying to convince anyone it is, nor am I doing it to intentionally deceive anyone. My sincere hope is that no one will trust me more or trust me less based on the fact I am using an alias.

    Telling me it is time to change assumed names and that I am not concerned with MLM? Low blow, Troy and you are on a slippery slope with that kind of rhetoric when up to this point I felt we were having a mature, engaging back and forth on the issue. To this point, I have been very respectful and have gotten that respect in return. Why the sharp veer off that road?

  63. Concerned MLMer,

    You are 100% correct, when anyone uses someone else as influence to build upon their agenda, I'll post it.

    Now, can you show me where I have ever stated "I know Phil Piccolo is the person behind DNA?" I have no proof of that personally. However, I have made it clear I have known since Rod and Ted posted their articles that Phil is part of DNA.

    Are you part of DNA, or part of Global Pros? I am trying to figure out which company you are a part of.

    ConcernedMLMer is there a law against using an assumed name? Wait, I guess that is what you are doing yourself. Talk about calling the kettle black.

    And, exactly what has Phil Piccolo done to you? Do you know Phil personally? Do you know anyone close to him?

    How, come you are not concerned with the fact Greco has publicly stated he agrees with what I wrote about him and his organization? I think it's time you change assumed names. You are about as concerned with MLM, as Greco is.

  64. Troy, the problem is that you consider it headline news for something as simple as an MLM attorney denying any involvement with Chris Greco's company.

    " Breaking MLM Wireless News: MLM Attorney Kevin Thompson Denies He Is Global Pros Legal Counsel"

    However, knowing Phil Piccolo is the person behind DNA and knowing he is using an assumed name, somehow that never makes it as a headline in any of your posts. People are curious why there was not a headline post for something this significant.

    Where was this 'Breaking News'?

    "Phil Piccolo is behind DNA using the assumed name Warren Anthony"

    You are a smart guy and seem to usually get it right, so you must see where people are questioning why this was not made to be a bigger deal on your site, especially if there is audio out there of you asking when Phil was going public. You can defend the fact that you technically did mention it somewhere in the video blog or buried in a post somewhere, but its clear you did not break this as a big story all by itself and you should have.

  65. Troy,

    This are the red flags I have for DNA and Phil Piccolo:

    1. Red Flag: Domain registered on Grand Cayman.

    2. Red Flag: Registrant Organization: Unknown

    3. Red Flag: Founder – Phil Piccolo has a very bad reputation.

    4. Red Flag: Field leader – Jeff Long has a controversial reputation.

    5. Red Flag: Dean Blechman, former "CEO", left in a hurry.

    6. Red Flag: Founder Phil Piccolo is telling proven lies.

    7. Red Flag: Founder Phil Piccolo is making big and ridiculous promises

    8. Red Flag: Not possible to visit the company.

    9. Red Flag: No company address

    10. Red Flag: No information about the owners, company history, legal form ect..

    11. Red Flag: Debt free company? No information at all.

    12. Red Flag: Third party products are pushed and used as corporate money makers.

    13. Red Flag: Tagging license plate numbers is controversial in several USA states & countries.

    14. Red Flag: Third party banners on the D.N.A. website, to make some corporate money.

    15. Red Flag: D.N.A. Privacy Policy is very poor.

    16. Red Flag: D.N.A. website and backoffice is out dated "an one men show".

    17. Red Flag: Email communications to the field with ridiculous promises.

    18. Red Flag: As a distributor with who do you have a contract – unknown contract party

    19. Red Flag: "Customer support" a gmail account? dna.support.dna@gmail.com

    I am pretty sure Phil is the founder and owns the opportunity. That brings up the question, what kind of legal form is the "company" I believe it is a private initiative of Phil, you can not call it a company…

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