May 24, 2013 10:06

Breaking Zeek Rewards News: The Facts Behind The NC DOJ Investigation & Zeek Rewards Recording

After reading and answering several comments here in this community and reading several editorials by some of the critics of Zeek Rewards, on the NC DOJ’s CID (Civil Investigative Demand) letter and purported NC DOJ Zeek Recording, I was finally about to get to the bottom of things. I also got a response from Greg Caldwell acting COO of Rex Venture Group.

The interesting thing is I have been reporting for weeks that this very action from the NC DOJ was what I predicted would happen. I also predicted that even though this is standard business practice and that the NC DOJ had just issued a CID (Civil Investigative Demand) letter to the billion dollar energy giant Duke Energy, that the critics would report on this even as it is is the end of Zeek Rewards.

NC DOJ

I contacted the NC DOJ yesterday and asked several questions:

1. Does the NC DOJ have a Zeek Rewards specific recording?
2. Is this common business practice for the NC DOJ?
3. Why does the NC DOJ use the word “investment” in the recording?
4. Has the NC DOJ received a large amount of complaints against Zeek Rewards?
5. Is the NC DOJ investigating Zeek Rewards?

Here is the response I received on this very issue.

1. Yes the NC DOJ has created a Zeek Rewards specific recording which goes as follows.

[quote]“Thank you for calling the North Carolina Attorney General’s Consumer Protection Division about Zeek Rewards. We cannot tell you whether or not to invest or participate in Zeek Rewards or any other company. If you would like to file a complaint with our office, you can either leave a message with your name and address after the beep and we will mail you a complaint form, or you can visit our website at www.ncdoj.gov for an online complaint form. Specific questions about how Zeek Rewards works should be directed to the company itself. Again, the Attorney General’s Office cannot give you investment or legal advice, and we do not endorse any program or business. However, we always encourage people to do their own research before investing in any business. Many people have asked if we have received complaints about Zeek Rewards, and we can confirm that we have received several complaints. Thank you again for contacting our office.”[/quote]

2. The NC DOJ does at times create a recording about companies when the NC DOJ is getting numerous calls and it takes employees away from regular business.

3. The NC DOJ used the word “investment” inside the recording because that is the question people who call are asking. We created the call to answer their specific questions.

4. Yes the NC DOJ has received some complaints against Zeek Rewards.

[quote]Our Consumer Protection Division has received 8 complaints and 23 inquiries about Zeek Rewards and related companies as well as numerous phone calls. The complaints generally seek refunds and say the company has not lived up to its promises.[/quote]

5. Yes the NC DOJ is investigating Zeek Rewards.

[quote]I can tell you that we have concerns about Zeek Rewards and have asked the company to provide us with documents so we can examine its business practices.[/Quote]

Zeek Rewards News

Now after talking with and receiving the above information I reached out to Greg Caldwell the acting COO of Rex Venture Group, to get some insight on where the company stood. Caldwell shot me over the following:

[quote] Troy,

They are accurate in reporting that after more than a year in business doing millions of dollars a month in sales, a total of eight complaints have been filed. We responded to all of them. One was filed by a mother whose daughter was making money and she was checking to be sure we are legitimate. We are.

All but the most recent one we just received have had their request satisfied, as will this newest complaint. We believe all “complaints” regardless of their source, as important and we respond to all of them with a policy of complete satisfaction.

Having worked with Zeek’s Director of Compliance, Ken Kilby on the majority of these complaints, I can tell you that anyone requesting a refund, received one immediately. The majority of those were based on frustration with several of our eWallet systems which we all experienced. At least two of the eight were not affiliates, but rather relatives checking on the company on behalf of their sons or daughters who, when researched showed them to be happy and successful in their business.

The point is we always have and will continue to respond to any inquiries or requests for information from any regulatory body. It is a necessary cost of doing business these days and assists us in remaining compliant and on top of any issues. [/quote]

Troy Dooly

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  • Larry Robinson

    thanks Troy. Once again you are the go to guy to get the straight info!

  • http://IneedSuccess.com Greg DeMario

    Great information as to the amount of complaints and the actions that we can anticipate in the future from the state agency in NC.

    Considering that Zeek has to my knowledge, thousands upon thousands of affiliates and received only a few complaints speaks volumes.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Greg,

      I was truly amazed myself.

  • Michael Soud

    This could turn out to be the best thing for Zeek. Once the AG completes his investigation and infractions are either resolved or found to be non-existent the company can continue to move forward with many of its detractors silenced. Obviously they will not go away but at least they will be minimized for the time being.

    Furthermore, once everything settles, affiliates will be emboldened and less likely to be distracted by negative press. If by chance the AG finds something more serious then that is good as well. Better to deal with serious problems sooner than later.

    Personally, I view this as nothing more than growing pains for a company that is successfully venturing into uncharted waters.

    • http://thenewfutureofnetworkmarketing.com Faith Barnard

      Absolutely right on and well said. Many distributors/affiliates in the network marketing profession have never been in business for themselves and thus don't understand this is standard operating procedure for a fast growing company who is also a category creator.

      I'm looking forward to the air being cleared, putting all this in perspective.

      As Corporate has said, at the Red Carpet Tours, we haven't seen anything yet! Super excited about Zeek's future.

      • amardeep

        yes faith i am agree with you ………..

        super duper future ahead for zeek & us

  • Greg

    As I read the behindmlm site's blog first, I had the impression that several of the people in charge were being handcuffed and shoved into a police car. No need for due process, I felt as if those in charge were criminals and were going to get their punishment.

    This is indeed a shame, publishing your blog under the guise of I am copying and pasting(this is found under their about page) I created BehindMLM out of a genuine interest in the MLM industry and a desire to provide the public with relevant and accurate MLM information, news and company reviews.

    How could the article from today and comments provide relevant and accurate information, I wonder?

    Thank you again for saving my sanity and hair, which is not falling out on its own. I am writing this with all due respect that they have their own shade of fairness when reporting anything on Zeek. I know that you, Troy, allow them amble breath here and I respect that. They do report fairly in many cases, but you would think that the sky is falling in Zeekland or the Zeek volcano is finally exploding and everyone should be exiting or be buried under the ash.

    I logged in on Facebook to look for these so called comments and also went to the NCAG's DOJ website, and found nothing like what I read on the blog from behindmlm. I saw only a few comments from people on Facebook, one was a question which was answered by the office with a similar official response of "checking on the company's business practices" and a comment asking if the findings would be made public.

    Sometimes…

    • Greg

      Troy, I am not at all suggesting that Zeek should not take the NCAG office requests as serious as some are making it sound. I only want to highlight that I am curiously viewing multiple sides here and would like it if reporting relevantly and accurately were really their motives.

      I believe that there have been multiple PR issues at the company and they falter here so often, its their Achilles' heel. They also should have been more diligent advertising their Super Tuesday, not only to affiliates but to the Zeekler customers as well. That would be my best criticism at this point, even with problems the business is ticking away, a second at a time, a penny more…

      • Troy Dooly

        @Greg,

        You bring up great points on the PR issues. I think this is why Greg Caldwell has brought in the new communication director to head up those efforts.

        As for the Super Tuesday auctions, I heard it at Red Carpet Day, then read about it on Zeek Rewards News, and on several of the daily training calls. Not sure if they advertised to the Zeekler database or not. Great question, I will ask about.

        Again, good input.

  • Brad

    Troy,

    The call you posted from Dr. Keith Laggos seems to contradict the number of complaints.

    Beginning at 35:45 he says, "The State attorney's may file a lawsuit against them for all of the complaints and this is a kick in the a**. The FTC caused problems for Zeekler by making sure they couldn't get their credit cards open for a long time, their merchant accounts, by causing them discomfort using the bank accounts – they couldn’t process orders, couldn’t pay their commissions and that caused hundreds if not thousands of complaints (from affiliates) to state attorneys and the FTC."

    A caller says, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't think that is correct.

    Dr. Keith Laggos says, "It is correct."

    Eight complaints vs. hundreds if not thousands of complaints. Why the big difference?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Brad,

      First of all I can't put words in Dr. Laggos's mouth, on why he might say or not say what he said. I think if folks listen to the call we can come to a finite conclusion that the call was a recruiting call for Lyoness, based on the fact that is how the call was presented.

      As for the specific information Dr. Laggos stated…

      It might have just been for promoting his "Plan B".

      • Brad

        Is it possible to ask him? The concern is the big discrepancy.

        • Troy Dooly

          Brad,

          I do not see the comments in order, and I answer so many, I do not know for sure what you are asking.

          • Brad

            Sorry, could you ask Dr. Keith Laggos how he came up with hundreds or thousands of complaints vs. the eight.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Brad,
            :) As you can guess Keith is not talking to me at the moment!

      • http://realscam.com GlimDropper

        Why Troy, I must admit to feeling befuddled.

        A casual reading of your reply to Brad almost seems to imply that Dr. Keith Laggos, author of Direct Sales, an Overview and publisher of the Network Marketing Business Journal ~might~ be less honest and forthcoming about companies and programs he comments on than he otherwise could be when he stands to profit from, shall we say the slant he puts on his "facts."

        Say it ain't so Troy.

        • Troy Dooly

          @GlimDropper,
          :) Well I am not sure… But I have been reading up lately on "Chicago Politics" so I can better understand how the media tycoons from Chicago do business.

    • Paul

      Brad, don't you see? Noel is in cahoots with Zeek. The real number of complaints is in the thousands and thousands just like you believe as per Laggos.

      But wait just a minute, Noel is the NC DOJ spokes person. There is no way she would withhold the truth. I think she revealed the real number is in the thousands but remember Troy is covering up for Zeek. He is the one in cahoots with Zeek.

      Noooo I don't think Troy has any need to cover for Zeek……Hmmm What could it beeeee. Aaaah, I know, I know, Troy meant to say 8,000 complaints and 23,000 inquiries. There you have it Brad.

      • ZY

        I had a good laugh from your joke.Thanks.

        • Brad

          I bet you are not laughing now ZY. I guess there were more complaints than eight.

          Troy, there were so many over the top Zeek affiliates that rubbed Zeek in the face of critics that they should not be surprised to receive backlash. I think you should address this category of people as they should expect some egg on their face. Acknowledge the mistake, repent, genuinely ask for forgiveness, learn from it and move forward as a better person.

          Then there are people as you described with the heart warming stories. It would be extremely insensitive to rub Zeek in their face. I totally agree with you on this 100%. Just make it clear there are different groups/categories of people and not everyone was sweet and kind when it came to Zeek. In terms of what was on the internet, quite the opposite. Of course that does not mean to be a total jerk to someone, but they should expect some frustration from others.

          • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

            @Brad,

            1. The AG reported 8 complaints, I reported 8 complaints. Your point is…?

            2. I agree 100% there were ZR promoters who were out of compliance doing things illegal, and I reported each and everyone we found. And yes there were also those who like some of the critics, every chance they got rubbed Zeek in the face of folks even those I will be talking about.

            3. First of the week, I will be reporting more on this and all the penny auctions.

            4. You are 100% correct there are different groups and categories of these folks.

            5.

  • Drew Speier

    Troy:

    Good, bad or indifferent, you are thorough, experienced and credible. God Bless you for all you do. You are appreciated my friend. Keep up the great work!

    Drew

  • Shaun

    Hi Troy, is there any chance you could hit me up on my email provided?

    I'm one of the leaders in the UK.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Shaun,

      I am working through the emails, we get a boatload in a day and I am behind right now. Feel free to send again.

  • http://kellytolar.com Kelly Tolar

    I respect your research.

  • jason

    Hi troy. As I keep reading articles on website, including yours, I have read some bad news according to some reviews, and also I can see people who are also positive in Zeek, but for me I will rely on my belief in you.. hehe..

    That Zeek is very good and amazing home based business.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jason,

      Well, for each person Zeek may or may not be a good and amazing home based business. It is no different than any other. If a person doesn't understand the business model, and work it correctly it will not work.

      For those who love and understand the penny auctions, eCommerce and network marketing it should be a good one.

  • Living the Beach Lif

    Troy , once again you have proved that you approach each every issue regarding Zeek with fair and even handed reporting and analysis, thank you for that.

    I will have been in Zeek for six months on the 20th of August and can say that, I have received every requested check/payment paid in full.

    There have been many hiccups along the way, which is to be expected with any new business model especially one of this size and complexity. Every time in the last six months that a challenge has been presented, Zeek meets it head on.

    With the new team members that have been added to Zeek management, I believe we will continue to see great improvements in the company as a whole.

    I have been in and looked at many marketing companies and there have been very few that offer what Zeek offers to the average person, a real possibility of not only earning back the money they started their business with, but also creating a decent income for themselves, if they are willing to put forth a reasonable amount of effort into their business.

    If Zeek continues to meet these challenges as they have done so far, the opportunities and potential they can provide to so many affiliates as well as to the company it's self, will be incredible.

  • sam

    Thanks for the great update.

    On the video, you mentioned about processors issues and it sounds like something is be prepared to eliminate all. Can you tell us more about it and what can we expect from this since missing bids purchases and payouts are now huge and this is the biggest and worst issues that zeek has it now. In fact I do not understad why it is so hard to solve this mass. No one really seems care about affiliates who have been waiting over 2 months for their bid purchase and outstanding payouts. Can you address these issus to zeek strongly? I would appreciate your dedication and look forward to hearing about new possible solution that you mentioned on the video. Thanks

  • Ellie

    Troy, I can't count the ways that I thank you for everything you do for us. I for one truely believe in you and will continue to follow and learn from you. Thank You!

  • Hal

    Troy-

    I can't say how much I appreciate your research. Thanks again

  • BJ

    Great update! Thanks.

    BJ

  • Jack

    Troy, compare Zeek to Duke enegry situation? Really? How about camparing it to Ad Surf Daily instead. Much closer dont you think…they had no complaints either untill the money stopped.. You personally are hurting people, they listen to You! I am sure your girls will be proud when this falls apart…and YOU know it will..remember i play poker. a child can see through this… I think we both know why you cant (wont) …when it goes down i hope Dawn cops to how much they paid…i am willing to bet ANY amount of money this ends like ASD….i love a sure thing..any takers?

    • steve

      Jack, What an asinine comment! If you are going yo coment please make some POINTS! Getting personal on a blog site is childish to say the least. Troy will probably respond in a respectful way but i dont have to. I really dont know how Troy puts up with it. Please bring something to the table next time. Steve

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jack,

      I thought about what you wrote.

      1. Do you know anything about the Duke case and why a CID was issued?

      2. Why do you feel there were no complaints?

      3. How can you compare a civil action with a criminal action? The regulators never publicly got involved with ASD, but the Secret Service the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Treasury sure did! I'll stick with an apples to apples comparison.

      Jack, please tell me how I am hurting anyone who is listening to me? I went to the NC DOJ and got information. I went to RVG's COO and got information. I reviewed said info and published it, along with my opinions and findings. How is that hurting people? Lord knows we do not agree on this subject. You seem to feel the ZR folks are evil, and I believe they are not evil. You believe it is a ponzi, I believe it is not a ponzi, but had red flags that needed and in some cases still need to be fixed. You believe it is doomed from the start, I believe all companies and people should be given the right to fix the issues, and get compliant at all levels.

      Maybe you think this is a sure thing… But then again maybe not! By the way if you were a good poker player, then you should realize no matter how good you think you are, there is always someone better… Kind of screws up a sure thing when that happens.

      I would love to play poker with you Jack, because you are easy to read. You give away your tell, way to fast. Why is it when the messenger is sharing the facts, and folks don't like it, they want to always point to "money". Could it be that you, Jack are paid to come to the community and cause doubt? Not everyone will accept money to ensure a win… That's called stacking the deck, Jack!

      And in this case, because I actually know the cards RVG is holding I think I might win the bet.

      Always fun to debate with you… ;)

      Living An Epic Adventure,

      Troy

    • Brad

      Duke Energy has a market capitalization of over $30 billion and has been in business since 1904. In 2011 their revenue was $14 billion with net income of $1.7 billion. Corporations the size of Duke Energy have many lawsuits each year. People do not think Duke energy is a scam, but I know that some of the complaints to the NC AG are that Zeek is a potential ponzi scheme. The real concern with Zeek Rewards is not how e-wallets work, customer service issues, or poor communication, it is if they are an unregistered investment and/or a pyramid or ponzi scheme. I know you have commented on this many times in videos and blog postings. However, I do agree with Jack about comparing Zeek to Duke. You said it best, "I think this (NC AG request) will once and for all help clear all that up (if Zeek is a ponzi or pyramid) and make sure they are as compliant as they can be."

      By the way, why doesn't Rex Venture Group clear up their F rating with the BBB. It really causes trouble for affiliates when discussing the company. I would think it would be pretty easy to fix and major corporations don't have the lowest rating possible. For example, Duke Energy as an A+ rating.

      • Troy Dooly

        @Brad,

        What does the market cap and net income of Duke Energy have to do with anything. Do you have any clue at all why the CID was issued and what is really going on with Duke Energy? This is not just any lawsuit, or complaint. This Dule Energy issue made national news!

        This is the N.C. Energy Commission investigating the possible scheming of a billion dollar energy company to falsely lead the NC Energy Commission into approving a multi-million dollar merging after Duke Energy provided them false information.

        Washington Post -NC regulators hire Chicago law firm to investigate whether Duke Energy misled ahead of merger

        Duke Energy CEO Rogers faces grilling by North Carolina Utilities Commission

        Regulator Warns Duke Could Face Sanctions on Deal

        So maybe you are right and I should not have used Dule Energy. RVG nor Zeek Rewards has received this kind of national attention. Respectfully, the "people" sitting on the Energy Commission and now the NC DOJ, think they might have been scammed and they are investigating to see if it happened. If they find it did happen, they will not shut them down. They will do one of two things… Saction them very heavy and maybe make they hire back the CEO they just let go. Or they may reverse the merger which will cost Duke Energy over $700 million dollars. Now I wonder which it will be?

        Brad, I would bet the majority of the complaints wonder if Zeek is a scam! That has never been the issue. Patrick Pretty and I talked about this here after he posted a few of the complaints.

        I do agree 100% the eWallets are an issue. Thank goodness Zeek has made it clear they are fixing that issue and should be announcing the changes on or before the next Red Carpet Day.

        And I agree with the CS issues, they suck and communication should be better. Thank goodness Zeek has made it clear they have hired a new communications director and are working on the CS issues.

        Let me ask you… do you really think you could do better? It is so easy for us on the outside to throw the stones, and Lord knows I have thrown a truck full.
        But, Brad, what company do you know, that you can point to as an example, that has had this type of growth, dealt with this many issues simultaneously and is still in business?

        ViSalus which is part of a billion dollar company, has faced the CS issues and still are. But, they did not face the other issues. Global Verge faced all of these issues and are gone today.

        I think we all agree there are issues. And the AG will be able to look at everything and help RVG clean up anything that needs cleaning up, and allow the business to once and for all focus on the real issues they face… which seem to be business issues.

        As for the "F' rating, unless they join the BBB, that will not be fixed. Watch this BBB Investigation from 20/20

        Living An Epic Adventure,
        Troy

    • Chris

      Jack, I mean OZ, I mean KCHANG…..give it a break, …go crawl back into your hole…have a nice night

      • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

        When I post you'll see my Avatar. Enough with your paranoia.

    • ZY

      Hi Master of None.

  • CM

    Go back to Realscam Jack

    • Jack

      different jack…my new name pokerjack….troy has been bribed…just like i dont need see what the other player is holding. I know what troy has by adding up the facts…did oj commit murder? I didnt see it but i know the answer..

      • Troy Dooly

        @PokerJack,

        Now that is funny!

        PokerJack, please tell us what I got wrong or reported that is not factual?

      • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

        Jack, you're insinuating something that can't be proved. I for one think Troy did a decent job on this.

        To me, the AG message is not as "routine" as some Zeek supporters seem to think (mostly by Mis-interpreting Troy's post above), but neither is it "end of Zeek", as some Zeek opponents are claiming.

        For those who don't get it, I'm a SKEPTIC, not a cynic.

        While it's NOT good for ANY company to get a CID, or ANY sort of official investigation, CID is pretty low on the scale of "bad things that can happen to a company".

        It *could* lead to something worse, of course, but that'd be pure speculation.

        Troy, your post was already widely mis-interpreted. I've had Zeek supporters on my hub that claimed "NC AG declares nothing wrong with Zeek" and linked to this post. It's sad that people can misconstrue your words like that to support their own agenda.

        • Troy Dooly

          @K. Chang,

          First let me say, glad to see you back. :)

          Sadly, as with every debate, from politics to religion, from business to relationships, folks will read what they want to read and then not only misinterpret, but will then propagate the misinformation to others.

          I have worked to clarify some points, publicly and privately.

          Thank you for weighing in on this issue.

          Living An Epic Adventure,
          Troy

  • Dan M

    @Brad

    Research will tell you that BBB is a con. BBB has been under serious investigation by the authorities for what is essentially extortion. Companies that refuse to pay their fees get low ratings. Thats common knowledge.

    • Brad

      Well when I asked a representative at Bank of America about Zeek Rewards they referred me to the F rating at the BBB. Then she told me not to give Zeek personal info because of it. Plus no major company has an F rating. How much negative PR is Zeek getting for this? Is is worth it?

    • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

      BBB local branches *can* be a con, but using that to dismiss every single branch of BBB across the nation is pure lunacy.

      • Troy Dooly

        @K Chang,

        I know you did not address this to me, however I did have a thought…

        Now I know where you are coming from (and you make a valid point.) But respectfully isn't that a little hypocritical? Example…

        "Independent Zeek Rewards Affiliates *can* be cons, but using that to call every single independent Zeek Rewards affiliate a con is pure lunacy. :)

        Isn't this what many critics do when they talk about Zeek Rewards, they lump all affiliates together?

        And if we take a look at that old saying "we are known by the folks we run with" (as Patrick Pretty does when he connects former ASD reps with Zeek) (something I fully understand), then it would seem that the branches of the BBB would be running under the instructions or approval of the parent organization.

        Now, I will agree 100% that not all employees or branches may be run as the one used in the 20/20 Investigation. But it does raise a question… Would 20/20 not research the whole organization to see if this is just one branch or a more widely accepted practice inside the BBB general organization?

        • Chris Bailey

          Have to throw in my .02 on this one. :)

          I don't recall seeing K. Chang stating that all affiliates are cons, but if he did then he would be a bit hypocritical.

          IMO, the majority of critics that post regularly do so because they know that not all members of whatever the scam du jour is are aware that they are participating in a scam.

          Your analogy between critics linking former reps from ASD(and other scams) to Zeek vs independent BBB offices being lumped in with crooked BBB offices is not quite the same either.

          Perhaps it would be complete if those BBB offices could break free and then go provide business ratings for Angie's List, Yelp, Merchant Circle, etc. under continued corrupt entities.

          The good critics will often show you a pattern(if it can be tracked down) that shows how these characters promote one scam after another.

          When they start pimping a program like Zeek, alarm bells naturally go off.

          Then you start to look at what is attarcting them to whatever opportunity and it is always fast, easy money with no effort, a.k.a HYIPs/ponzis/pyramids.

          In Zeek's case, it was the fact that all they had to do was invest up to 10K in a virtual product, take a couple minutes daily to post an ad somewhere, give away some of that virtual inventory to real or fake customers and then pocket their easy ROI.

          Troy, these things don't catch fire at places like MMG and TG by accident.

          If it wasn't easy money with virtually zero effort, they would not get hot in the HYIP/ponzi communities.

          And I think you know that easy money with no effort means no future.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            As always great feedback… :) I think K.Chang knows I was using a little tongue in Cheek on the hypocritical side.

            Now although the BBB offices themselves might not be able to break away, the folks running and working for them can break away.

            And, you are not fully correct in the Zeek Statement. In order to be qualified for the RPP, which is what you are referring, each affiliate must be on a monthly bid purchase $10, $50 or $99 per month. And they do not EVER have to buy $10K worth of bids.

            Now one quick, question… Why do you feel that Affiliates can give away bids to "fake customers?"

            Well two questions… How can you give a way a bid to a "fake customer" and have that qualify the affiliate for the RPP? It is my understanding the bids can't just be giving away, the bids must be used also. Am I wrong in my thinking on this issue?

          • Chris Bailey

            Perhaps hypercritical would have been better. :)

            I'm sure there are more than a few ex-BBB employees that would share how crooked they think it is. Aren't there always?

            I figured you would correct me if I left anything out. To the ponzi player, the monthly purchase is just part the investment.

            Do the monthly purchases also qualify for the RPP?

            I've mentioned it before, but I have not followed this from the very beginning. I'm not an expert on all the ins and outs of the comp plan.

            Also, I said "up to" $10K.

            Am I correct in saying that in order to qualify for the RPP as far as purchasing goes, they would not have to do anything other than start at Silver?

            But they can't win big if they don't play big.

            As far as I can tell, there really isn't any way to prevent fake customers from being created. That's not a Zeek flaw, that's just a fact of life for any site that allows people to register for free. All you need is an email address.

            But Zeek does make it easier to create fake accounts because they don't make new users verify registration.

            A day or so ago, I registered for Zeekler using one of my throwaway gmail accounts. I received a welcome with my free 500 bids from my "referring affiliate", but did not need to verify my intent to register.

            I see nothing in the How It Works section or the P&P page that states bids must be used in order to get credit for giving them away.

            Even if it is required that they be used, that is still an easily abused requirement.

            Perhaps one of the affiliates can let us know if the bids need to be used or not.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            Always good to chat. Hey one thing I have found that does go against something you wrote. I also thought, that based on what I was reading and seeing around the net, that folks must have to really make some big bid purchases to win big. But I talked to a guy today who has only bought $600 worth of bids personally, plus his Diamond subscription and he is now earning a little over five figures a month.

            Now I did ask him to provide me a little more detail in writing so I can understand how this is broken down, matrix, RPP matching or what. But it does seem to sound like not everyone is just buying large bid packs.

            Again, still digging into this and will have to see for sure.

            Chris, it is my understanding all net revenue counts towards the RPP.

            And it is also my understanding that the $10 monthly bronze package is where qualification starts for the RPP.

            I see what you mean with the fake customer. However, it is my understanding that to be classified a "free" customer, the person must use the bids. But, I guess if a person has several email accounts that might work. But I was also told that IP Addresses are tracked and security didn't or doesn't (not sure which) allow multiple accounts with the same IP Address. I know this is how it works when folks are signing up to be an affiliate, so I might have it wrong on the auction side of things.

            Ok, but I wonder if you are counted as a customer yet? Or does that get flagged when you go back and use the bids you were given?

            Chris all good stuff, maybe some of the affiliates can help us both out here.

          • Chris Bailey

            Couldn't remember what the lowest package was. :) Bronze it is, lol.

            I don't want to get too hung up on how much people buy in at. There are a multitude of approaches people can take.

            The original point was that to the ponzi players, Zeek is a pretty easy game with it's minimal requirements to earn ROI.

            It would make very little sense for them to not allow accounts with the same IP because they allow multiple members to be in the same household. See P&P item #34 on sponsoring and stacking. If you are correct about that, they need to amend their P&P.

            But again, in the ponzi player world, cruising the net using a proxy is a common activity, so even monitoring IPs isn't really a safeguard.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            You may want to read #34 again. Zeek has a firm "NO Stacking" policy. Yes, folks in the same household can join side by side direct to the upline sponsor. But the upline sponsor can't be one of the family members, or an entity with common control. Now there is a chance that the family might only have one computer, but that is rather slim these days. In most cases folks will have more than one computer and each computer or smart phone will have a different IP Address.

            In a couple of cases that have been shot my direction, the security locked out the second person using a computer already registered to an account.

            But, staying on course with the original point, I can truly see your point, and agree that for the professional pozi player, Zeek is or at least was ripe for manipulation. And I have no doubt they know all the ways around the security. Sadly Zeek didn't have much in the really months of this year, and got hit hard.

            Knowing the amount of money they paid in fraud charge backs would close down some smaller companies.

          • Chris Bailey

            Nope. No need to read #34 again as I wasn't saying stacking was possible. Not that having a rule and enforcing are two different things. ;)

            I was just pointing out that multiple accounts within one household were permitted and there are plenty of households that still have just one computer.

            I'm definitely no tech guru, but all computers on my home network show the same IP when I check them.

            I know every device technically has it's own address, but this is not something that is normally shown in visitor logs on websites. Instead, users from the same network show the same IP that the ISP gives that network.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            Respectfully, your Router will have the same IP, but each machine behind it will have a different IP Address. If by some change you have two appliances that have the same IP Address, you will got a pop-up on one of the machines which will state IP Address conflict.

            I wrote an article on this a few years ago ;)

            http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5497801_history-ip-in

            And you are correct it is not shown on the visitor log. However, the firewall and other security will be capturing each individual IP Address when the individual logs into the system. Plus, now that the company is fully focused on upgrading their security to adhere to PCI Compliance so they can regain top tier processors and gateways this is a must.

            Which is why, I am not sure how easy it is these days to just create a "fake customer". And I am pretty sure the definition(s) of customer are "free customer" someone who has used free bids, and "retail customer" someone who has paid for bids, products etc.

            And, I know based on the huge fraud issues early this year, that you are making a point that at had been an issue in the past in some form or another.

            By the way, this change has been in the works for a few months, which has gotten some affiliates upset because they feel, they are going to have to work harder at finding retail customers :)

            But between you and me, it sure seems that the affiliates should have a pretty large database of folks they have been giving bids away to, that they can now contact and share about the new Zee Bates platform. And, now that I think about it, maybe they can put out two ads a day… One for Zeekler and one for ZeeBates. If that happens, they should grow pretty fast I would think.

          • Chris Bailey

            And as for being ripe for manipulation, the viewpoint of the critic is that it is/was operating exactly as intended when it comes to the ponzi players.

            IMO, it's difficult to accidentally design something that is so attractive to the ponzi community.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            I understand where you are coming from. And I felt the same way, until I met and talked with Paul Burks and his team in Lexington. And when I found out Greg Caldwell and Ken Kelby neither one of them would have anything to do with a Ponzi.

            But I truly understand what you are saying and can fully understand why you and others feel that way.

          • Chris Bailey

            Troy, you didn't really just try to use the feel, felt, found technique on me, did you? ;)

            LOL, just kidding.

            Well, the good thing about not meeting people like Paul Burks is that there is zero chance of being charmed in the old confidence man manner.

            Critics continually heard how wonderful and sincere people like Bryan Marsden, Kim Inman, Andy Bowdoin, etc. were.

            True or not, that didn't change the true nature of their business model.

            Hopefully, your changed impression of Zeek Rewards is based 100% on what you believe is a different understanding of the business model and was not swayed one iota by story of one man's 10 year journey filled with frustration and heartache at watching the poor average Joe fail miserably in his home business pursuits until he finally developed a miraculous system that would eliminate almost any chance of failure in MLM.

            I have no idea about Ken and Greg, but we'll just have to wait and see if they've made a mistake.

            As always, a pleasure to chit-chat. :D

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            If I did please forgive me, it was completely by mistake… Some old habits will come to the surface at times. And that one is as old as Ben Franklin himself. I must have been tired :) I might have been caused from drinking way to many different kinds of coffee's from network marketing companiea… Mixing the wrong mushroom based coffees can cause issues… I had better cleanse my system with some trid and true Pikes Place from Starbucks.

            You bring up a great point on the "charmed aspect" of things. And for regular folks it makes total sense. However, having spent several years deeply involved in the unsavory elements of crime at every level as both a bounty hunter and bail agent, I am not normal and way more cynical than most folks. I have eaten dinner with some wonderful "grandpa types" full of confidence and very charming… I remember when my "Uncle Mike" was killed, saying "dad, Uncle Mike (Michael Spero) isn't a bad guy, you're not a bad guy, why would anyone want to kill him." Life has a way of making one cynical. But you do bring up a very valid point.

            By the way… I never could figure out why folks thought Andy was a nice guy. I set in some meeting where he was in the room as a consultant and he sure was a cocky ol' bird. But your point is well taken and I have realized that from day one. Sadly, the same thing happens inside of network marketing all the time. Certain types of people join a start-up company hype the deal, slam people into it, then split just as fast and leave behind broken promises and dreams of people who now have a house full of products they have no clue how to sell.

            I know it is a little different, but the mindset of the hypesters (not sure if that's a word) are the same I feel.

            Chris, I am not sure if my impression has changed at all. From day one I have talked about the red flags. But what I have seen is a willingness on the part of Paul and his crew to listen. Each time a red flag is raised, he looks for someone who can help fix it.

            Not saying all the advice might have been sound advice or without some personal agenda or motive by some who gave it. I truly have seen, that money "greed" can have some nasty effects on folks.

            But, I do like your little blurb on the saga… I am thinking we might want to get an agent and sell this story to Hollywood. :)

          • Chris Bailey

            Thanks for the technical info and link.

            How does Zeek handle it for the people that have more than one member in their household, but only one PC?

            I knew there was more to it, but I'll never have the desire or willpower to try and understand all the technical crap. :)

            The PCI stuff is one reason I opted not to take credit cards directly on any of my sites. I figure I'll let a processor that knows what the heck they're doing safeguard customer info.

            Perhaps with your technical knowledge you could build a time machine, head out a few months into the future, and come back to let us know how this all turns out.

            P.S. One good set of Powerball numbers would be good to.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            The one PC has been an issue, and folks who have tried to log into the second account or tried to enter additional credit card info have been unable to do so, until they went to a different computer. In two cases I know of, they had to go to the library and another to an internet cafe.

            The reason I know a little about the tech side, is from running a large tech and service company inside network marketing. And my last run as a distributor was for a company called http://www.INVISUS.com which is a Managed Internet Security company, and I was the V.P. of Sales for Ignite 360 for six months when they thought they wanted to launch a network marketing arm. ANd I keep up on things because my youngest adult son is launching two new sites in the tech and gaming arena. Back to the Future… ;)

          • Chris Bailey

            Oops, forgot to get back to the fake customer issue.

            Some of the possible issues come from sites selling Zeekler customers to Zeek Rewards members. If I can find it among the hundreds of comments and posts over multiple sites I'll post it.

            I guess we're still waiting for an affiliate to verify whether or not a free customer actually has to use the free bids in order to qualify them for VIP points or whatever the heck it is.

            As I said before, nothing on Zeek's site states that as a requirement.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            I have the "zeekler customer" sites. They are totally misleading to the affiliates buying the leads… not customers! We are on the same page here!!!

          • Chris Bailey

            Hey Troy,

            Well, now I have proof that fake customers are created and given bids, lol.

            I've also asked over at behindmlm if anybody could let us know whether or not bids given away need to be used in order to increase point totals.

            Oz feels very certain that they don't. I tend to agree. And no affiliates have yet told us differently.

            Anyway, back to the fake account creations and bid dumping.

            As luck would have it, somebody was kind enough to fraudulently created an account for me using a contact email address for one of my domains and then that fake account received 500 free bids.

            The username they picked for me was Eldis1980 and the username, a.k.a my referring Zeek Affiliate, that give me bids is fastcashnow

            I'm curious to know if they purchased my email address and created the account on their own or if they are using one of the wonderful sites selling free Zeekler "customers".

            Care to investigate?

          • Troy Dooly

            Chris,

            I wonder if this is one of those 3rd party customer providers? If it is, then it truly sucks for all involved. Heck I might have an account soon :)

            I will check into the bid issue. But I was sure that had been covered, and folks had made it clear, the bids must be used, or are forfeited. But, with all that has been covered, I could be totally wrong.

            Will check on this issue.

        • Chris Bailey

          The new free/fake ;) zeekler customer has to use the bids within 30 days or they are forfeited by that customer, but the affiliate that gave the bids away are credited points immediately when they give the bids away.

          Seeing that Zeekler accounts are created in this manner majorly discredits any claimed customer to affiliate ratio that Zeek wants to spit out.

          They should flat out forbid the buying of "customers" in this fashion.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris,

            Hmmm… Does that mean the Zeek Affiliate has points deducted 30 days later if the bids are not used?

            I would agree this would cause some grave issues with the ratios, unless the points are deducted at a later time for non use.

    • Brad

      I guess the BBB had a little more weight than you realized:

      According to David Dalrymple, President of the Winston Salem Better Business Bureau (“BBB”), the BBB had been receiving complaints for some time, and within the last 30 days alone had received 30,000 inquiries about Zeek. Said Dalrymple, “In twelve years as the President here, I cannot compare that to any level of inquiry for any other business. Ever.” Dalrymple stated that the BBB’s analysis of Zeek had raised many red flags, and that it immediately notified criminal authorities.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanmaglich/2012/08

      • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

        @Brad,

        My opinion of the BBB has not changed at all. But we all raised red flags. That has never been up for debate. The debate hinged around the fact the company had made strives to address the red flags. The big question now is why did some of the changes made not get implemented until after the AG started to investigate on July 6th. And why did the AG not make it public that they were investigating the company.

        Had I or others known July 6th there was a pending investigation we would have reported on it. I predicted an investigation, even Laggos to his credit said the FTC would investigate. But none of the agencies from the low level CID to the SEC made anything public until this last week. Why? I fully understand why at the federal level, but not at the AG level.

        And Brad, where were all these experts before? I never read one article in the WSJ, Forbes. Saw an investigative expo on ABC, CNBC or Fox. It is so easy to be the Sunday afternoon coach, when the game is over. There were the anti[ponzi advocates, who to their credit did a fantastic job of keeping this is the news. Some local radio show hosts with some national syndication talked about it. But not until the SEC went public did anything get picked up.

        Although, many folks want to say "We saw this coming" no one saw what happened this week coming. Especially the deal that was cut.

  • pokerjack

    you did a video about zeek fearing the secret service (and others) coming in and shuting down zeek. You then meet with zeek. Sudden change of heart. 1 reason was because your mentor (Laggos) was helping right the ship. Now he has changed his view (partially). But you say he is now wrong. Hmmm point 1. Sorry busy cant finish everything right away…i am no angel trust me. i dont think anyone evil…i actually like the scam. Just for the beauty of it…they where close , but not smart enough to handle a project of this size. More later

    • Troy Dooly

      @PokerJack,

      I think you should take time to go and watch all the videos again :)

      Here they are from oldest to newest.

      Zeek Rewards 3

      Zeek Rewards 2

      Zeek Rewards 1

      And, although I have not covered BidiFy as heavily because it is newer and folks do not ask as many questions, if you compare the two companies you will find my reporting is very similar.

      BidiFy 2

      BidiFy 1

      And if you really review the site, you will find that over the years I have moved away from using the term "MLM Scam" because the critics were using my titles to hurt not just companies but distributors. And I moved away from using the term "High Risk MLM" because that term hurt startups. Today, I do my best to classify the companies based on the industry they represent.

      And as an advocate and ambassador for the Network Marketing community, companies and distributors, I do my best to cover the facts and provide deep insight to what the issues are.

      And what you and others do not see is all the private offline conversations, emails and private messages, and comments worldwide from our social marketing footprint. You seem to base your viewpoint on just our community here. Although you might not change your mind period, since it seems you are looking for an agenda.

      I stand by each video and editorial I have written. And those who follow me through all the editorials and news casts no that I have hit many companies hard, but it is to hold them accountable, not to trash them. When I hit Global Verge I did not back off until they started communicating to us. First they sent a Cease and Desist. Kevin Thompson my attorney (represents BidiFy) took over and within a few days they sent me 82 pages of documentation defending their position. I later did a live interview with one of the owners. I willingly shared both sides of the issues. And yes that does include my mentor Dr. Keith Laggos.

      I did the same thing with WOW Mobile and Randy Jeffers (owner of Bids That Give). All it takes is a little due diligence to see my reporting is consistent.

      So, after reviewing above you can see there was no sudden change of heart about any of the red flags. I would agree there was a change of heart, when business associates who are well respected constituents and folks I call friends were hired to clean up the red flags.

      As I have stated many times publicly and privately, when a company is willing to listen about the issues, and hire the right people to fix the issues, then I am willing to give them plenty of room to protect their distributors.

      At the same time you will not see me making excuses for communication issues, CS issues or any of the financial issues that have frustrated the affiliates and caused RVG major nightmares. Instead we continued to hold them accountable by reporting and giving the affiliates a platform to openly vent their frustration. Which I made sure Zeek leadership read!

      Now back to Dr. Laggos, I do believe he was wrong in doing a call promoting a "Plan B." I also think he was wrong in taking a position in a company he was also consulting with. And I think he was totally out of compliance when he shared publicly his purported Zeek Rewards income, and a few other issues, as I have made very clear publicly. I also believe there is a valid argument that everything Dr. Laggos said on the "Paln B" call was said to help promote his new Lyoness business, as that was what the purpose of the call was all about.

      Plus, I have yet to valid any of the information Dr. Keith Laggos stated he had been told verbally by 3rd party people.

      Although it is disappointing, it does not change the fact Dr. Laggos has mentored me over the years in Network Marketing and wrote the one text book covering the direct selling profession as a whole.

      So, until you write more later.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

        To be blunt, I'd only accept Laggo's statements with a heavy pinch of salt, as he had always been a bit… lax in his disclosures.

        Back in early 2000's he got slapped by the SEC for failure to disclose he was being compensated to publish some "good" news about a company called "Converge", thus basically helping a pump-and-dump stock scam.

        And who'd knew that he's a Zeek member, WHILE consulting for Zeek, AND published an article highlighting Zeek as company of the month, in his "journal"? That just screams "conflict of interest" six ways to Sunday.

        But some of what he said does fit the info we have available… like he moved the payment processors offshore, and there's documentation that at least six have been used across the globe. So many (a new one, KSPay, was just mentioned), that Zeek support basically gave up trying to verify them, just told affiliates to "if it looks right, just accept it, no matter what name it came from".

        But his "predictions"? Heavy dose of salt.

        • Troy Dooly

          @K. Chang,

          You have a valid point… And Keith sure took credit for a boatload of what seems to be causing issues with the affiliates these days. What, I don't get is in checking with DubLi, they do not seem to have any issues with processors, and do not seem to be using offshore processors in the USA.

          I have come to the conclusion, that what Keith said on the call is kind of like some of the TV Evangelists. He was ambiguous enough that if anything happens on a federal level, he can claim his predictions and information was correct.

          Time will tell on how things turn out, but at least the ball is now rolling with the NC AG, so hopefully some things can get cleared up for the affiliates and the rest of us.

  • Michael Soud

    Troy,

    The reason I read and participate in this blog is to glean information mainly from you but others as well. Don't spend too much time with people like Jack. This type of individual is looking for attention and he is a time waster.

    I appreciate the fact that you do not censor contributors like him but spending too much time responding with this type of individual is non-productive. Comedic relief has some value but his child-like bravado is simply boring and diminishes the value of this blog.

    Keep up the good work.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Michael,

      I can fully understand where you are coming from. but every now and then it is good, because it allows me to interject older information into a current editorial and comment thread.

      Thank you for being a valuable member to this community.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • Chris Bailey

    Hello Troy.

    It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.

    Just finished watching your video and reading this update.

    I have a couple comments and questions regarding this situation.

    I think you'll find that critics aren't impressed with a low number of complaints. Ponzis simply don't create many complaints until they start to falter.

    You might be aware of the amount of coverage the PPBlog did on ASD and Patrick noted in his comments that there were fewer than a dozen complaints before it fell. You or your readers can read his comment regarding that on his article about this Zeek situation at http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/08/07/bulletin-

    Given that your field of expertise is MLM, I don't know how much time you've spent investigating ponzi or pyramid scams, but if you had ever followed one from early on when it was running smoothly you would have noticed that there would be zero negativity around the 'net unless it happened to get in the cross hairs of critics.

    Then eventually the ponzi starts to experience the inevitable slowdown in payments, technical issues, ewallet issues, etc. and some complaints and negativity around the 'net begin.

    That's just the general pattern that they take over and over again.

    Then poof, they are shut down or disappear.

    We'll have to see what happens here.

    In your video, you try to relate this investigation to the one against Duke Energy.

    I did follow the links you provided in the comments and don't consider it an apples to apples comparison because just looking into Zeek's "business practices" is a far less specific reason than they gave for the Duke Energy CID.

    You are claiming this is all SOP.

    As an MLM expert, how many MLMs are you aware of that have received this type of demand from an AG?

    If there are any, I think those would be a better comparison than comparing to Duke.

    Do you think the NC DOJ site will post a link to the CID like they did with the one for Duke?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Chris,

      I always enjoy your comments because it gives me much to think about.

      I have not followed many companies that are ponzi's or pyramids unless they touch a major part of the network marketing community. TVIExpress, and ASD have been the two I covered the most.

      What you are mentioning about ponzis and pyramids does sound like many of the same issues we see surrounding MLM companies when things start to go south. Especially the smaller ones who hire the wrong legal team, or try to launch with an MLM in a box format.

      I would disagree that I was trying to relate Duke Energy to the RVG aka Zeek Rewards investigation at all. I did use Duke as an example of a company who has received a CID in the last sixty days. So as a reference point, there is a relation.

      Neither company was hit with criminal intent, instead both companies were hit with Civil Investigative Demand letters.

      And as of date, we really do not know what the RVG CID said period because it has not been made public as of August 7 2012.

      I am claiming that CIDs are SOP for AGs in all states when in the AGs. Although I have answered this somewhere in this thread I will gladly cover it again.

      When a company comes under the scrutiny of the State AG, the department opens a case and appoints an investigator to start investigating to determine if there is a criminal or civil issue(s) that need to be address. I they determine there are possible criminal actions, they usually check with federal regulators to see if anyone else has opened a case that might take jurisdiction (in the ASD case Secret Service had jurisdiction over the AG of Florida).

      If there are no other regulators with an open and active case, then the investigator will review the complaints that have come into the department, to determine the direction they will start the investigation. They may open a position in the company as an affiliate to investigate the back office, show up on training calls, ask questions in the forums of support groups, and without a doubt look for an open forum meeting (Red Carpet Day) to record and observe what is said from stage, and in public side conversations that take place in hallways, and casual conversations. They will not lead a conversation, but may ask what seems like a simple question in a conversation.

      They then will go back review their finding decide is a criminal or civil investigation going to be launched. In a criminal investigation, where consumer funds are in question, then a search warrant is requested, and a team is dispatched to serve the warrant and take possession of all records, electronic and paper in most cases. MPBToday is the most current example of a criminal investigation into money issues. One of the most memorable raids was on Destiny TelComm Randy Jeffers (Owner of Bids That Give) original company in the 1990s.

      If a criminal intent is not found to be the issue, then a CID is issued requesting the company provide specific information on whatever issues the AG has found or feels may be occurring. In the case of Zeek Rewards, I think we can all agree that "perceived investment" will be the main issue in this case.

      I used the phrase "perceived investment" because RVG states that the purchase of bids is not an investment. Critics feel it is an investment, and it is obvious that the majority of the people who have called the AGs office, or made complaints also seem to perceive that they are making some investment.

      And since perception can be seen as a reality, it is the duty of the AG to determine why folks feel they are "investing" in something, instead of purchasing something.

      Once the AG has received from RVG the answers and/or evidence they may request to prove people joining as affiliates and buying bids, are truly not investing in anything, but are joining a network marketing income opportunity, then one of three things will happen most of the time. The AG will request more information. The AG will request a hearing to ask under oath additional questions (so they can hold someone civilly liable for contempt) or they present RVG with their finding, demand specific changes within a specific time frame, and issue an administrative fine with can run into seven figures depending on the situation and the size of the company.

      In many of these cases, the State Legislative Body can also get involved if it is determined that an industry which had previously not been regulated by the state should be regulated. We see this in online gaming taking place currently, and I believe we will see this take place once the AG's investigation is finished with RVG.

      Now as to other MLMs where this has taken place in the past in the USA, at both a state and federal level. I will list a few, some well known…

      KosCot
      Amway
      Herbilife
      MonaVie
      Sea Silver
      Burn Lounge
      Bu Skin
      Mannatech
      Body Wise
      AST Nutritional Concepts
      Home Shopping Network (not MLM but direct marketing, which I personal believe MLM penny auctions model closer than direct sales)
      BigSmart
      USAsurance
      Equinox
      iMall
      JewelWay
      New Vision International
      Rexall Sundown
      Re NCN Communications
      Challenge
      Dare To Be Great
      Communication Investment Club
      Primerica
      YPB

      This is a small list, but give you an idea. Some of these companies went out of business, others are now billion dollar public companies.

      So, as I close the comparison of of Duke Energy is because it is a current CID in the State of NC and does provide a visual as to what the process is. It seems logical to use a CID from a current company in the state issuing the CID as an apples to apple comparison.

      Again, thank you for the insight.

      • Chris Bailey

        Thanks for sharing your understanding of that drawn out process Troy.

        And thanks for explaining your rationale for mentioning the CID issued to Duke Energy.

        Based on your follow up statements about what might happen with Duke if the AG finds wrong-doing, I still think it could be misleading about what the outcome might be if the AG finds Zeek to be what critics believe it is.

        But, opinions vary. :)

        • Troy Dooly

          @Chris,

          I can fully see your point, and feel your opinion have some solid merit. Like you having studied this situation from day one, I would publicly predict the following will in one way or another take place in regards to RVG aka Zeek Rewards, leaving Duke totally out of it.

          1. The AG will decide that the compensation plan is to hard for the average person to understand (investment .vs purchase) and will demand a change in verbiage used in explaining the compensation plan.

          2. The AG will review each part of the compensation plan, to determine how each part works independently and as a whole. If they find one piece that falls under scrutiny and is causing the public to misunderstand the whole compensation structure, they will demand that the compensation be structure be changed to ensure that the general public fully understand they are joining an income opportunity and are paid (in this case) for selling bids and or volume generated through their eCommerce sites, and are not investing in some financial security.

          3. Will request to see how many terminations or sanctions RVG have handed down to out of compliant affiliates… Especially top income earning affiliates. (this is to determine if RVG has truly supported their public statements on enforcing compliance. If there is no proof, then they will be sanctioned heavily in this area.

          4. More than likely they will go through the compliance course to make sure it truly does instruct the average affiliate on how to build Zeek Rewards correctly. If there is something they feel should be stronger they will demand it.

          5. They will review each and ever marketing video the company has produced to determine if they are well within compliance. If not they will demand they be removed or changed.

          Once all the information has been gathers, the changes have been implemented, then I expect the AG will impose a six figure fine for all the work they had to put into protecting the citizens of NC.

          By the way, I predict the fine against Duke Energy will be seven figures :)

          Living An Epic Adventure,
          Troy

    • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

      There are two ways for a Ponzi scheme to be "proven"

      1) The owner admits to it (like Madoff), or just do a "runner" hoping to escape the long arm of the law

      or

      2) Government got enough evidence to go in seize everything, then audit the books and prove it once and for all it's a scam, like what they did to Ad Surf Daily.

      In NEITHER case would there be enough warning to any participants until it happens. As you said, POOF!

      There's a bit of a stench from Zeek. Is this just a temporary phase… or signs of something fundamental?

  • http://www.onepennybillionaire.com/wealthbuilder777/tz.aspx wealthbuilder777

    Brad, The next time you go to Bank Of America and get advice from a teller or anytime you are concerned about how Zeek should be rated like the BIG companys, remember this article Bank of America’s phony mortgages are as fraudulent as fake Prada purses — and they get away with it March 22, 2012

    Matt Taibbi talks to Cenk about his recent Rolling Stone article, “Bank of America: Too Crooked to Fail.” Taibbi says, “It’s no different than here on the streets of New York where you see people selling fake Prada bags or phony blue jeans. What they were doing is selling phony mortgages… It was a giant fraud scheme. The fraud on Wall Street — they think it’s some kind of abstraction, it’s bankers ripping off other bankers, it’s some kind of insider-trading scheme where it’s a victimless crime. That’s not true — it’s bankers ripping off old people and retirees.”

    But, as Cenk points out, “There’s never any consequences. They’re, in essence, too big to comply. They turn to government and go, ‘What are you going to do about it?’”

    Maybe this article will give all of the Internets great protectors like "poker jack" something to report on that is a real issue, AG's in most states investigating major banks and mortgage fraud and fraudulent forecloses.

    Now that we have PROOF of something that is hurting people, taking their life savings and even putting entire family's out on the street , surely all of the watchdog / protectors of the people on this blog will begin to take action and investigate and let all of us know what you uncover, because this is what you do. Or will you ignore this most serious issue and continue to waste everyone's time speculating about a company like Zeek that has hundreds of thousands of patient and happy affiliate's.

    • http://www.onepennybillionaire.com/wealthbuilder777/tz.aspx Bill B.

      Hi Troy, You can change my name from wealthbuilder777 to my actual name Bill B.

      Thank You

    • Brad

      How things changed in about one week.

  • Chris Basilio

    Personally, I believe Troy got it right months ago. After legal consultations and making changes arising from those legal consultations, Zeeks model is legal. The biggest threat are the affiliates who make no effort to meet compliance at all.

    Questions on Ponziness are moot because affiliates don't invest. They get paid to promote Zeek. And that payment is a share of the day's profits.

    If there is lots of profit, then the payment is big.

    If the doom and gloom people finally have their day in the sun and the day does arrive that Zeek does not make any profit at all, then the profit share for that day would be ZERO.

    As an affiliate coming in, I realize that:

    1. I will have to buy sample bids to give away to start work. To me this is no different from buying my own steel toe boots to work.

    2. When I leave Zeek, there is no money from the sample bids to take back the same way that the money I spent on the steel toe boots cannot be brought back.

    3. There might be days I will get paid some, nothing at all or a lot.

    4. I can take days off whenever I want but by doing so, Zeek would not pay me for that day also.

    5. I have the freedom to quit promoting Zeek anytime and move on. But by doing so, Zeek would also quit paying me and move on.

    6. Zeek could close down at anytime like any other company (even countries) I might work for or do business with. In which case, I would move on and look for other work or business.

    All the above I realized coming in as an Affiliate of Zeek.

    Having said that, I really enjoy working for Zeek under the above conditions.

    To the doom and gloom crowd, please leave my company alone. If you really want help to "safeguard" the public, please stop going after my company. Instead, please focus your energies on going after affiliates who are not compliant.

    Regards,

    Chris

    • Rnelson

      I respect your belief in Zeek's business. From what I can see Zeek is it's own worst enemy. Okay, there's always going to be haters out there, but Zeek creates all of the "sky is falling" scenarios by not keeping contact with their most valuable asset. US!

      Training Calls – Very few can actually access these

      Information Window(pop up) – Over a week old right now(multi-million dollars sales organization and there's nothing to say?)

      Red Carpet Events – Crazy! We can do mass business with the Internet? We can launch or update with it?

      Affiliate Services- Who has time to be hung up on repedately? When you have a real issue they have told me "there's been no official word from corporate"?

      Zeeksupport – Do not go over there! Just complaining! Mods rarely respond to real issues and I have felt bad for the people begging someone to respond and they do not.

      I was really regained some confidence from Greg's email concerning NCSCU last week. After reflecting on it for almost a week now I am less impressed. The entire situation was created by Zeek's inability to communicate and assure affiliates that the payment situation's were being handled.

      Troy, do you think I am being over sensitive here? Am I expecting to much from a multi-million dollars marketing/direct selling organization?

      • Troy Dooly

        @Rnelson,

        I do not think you are over sensitive or far off on your thinking. We have all talked about the frustrations of communication, CS etc. I do feel that as Caldwell works through the issues with his new team, they will be able to get things handled.

        Now that the AG is asking for info in their investigation, some things may take a little longer than others.

        Based on what was told at the RCD, the coding is the very top priority, followed by processing (something different than eWallets), Communications and so forth.

        I do think Caldwell is well aware of the frustrations, and Dr. Jolly should be on board this week full-time to help increase the communication to the field.

        Living An Epic Adventure,
        Troy

        • Rnelson

          Wow! Thank you for responding. I really hope you are correct in your assessment of the situation.

          From your timely response, I was wondering if there was anyway you could take over Zeek's PR department? :)

          Thanks again!

          • Troy Dooly

            @Rnelson,

            ROFLOL… That is a job I do not think I am up for.

          • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

            That would put troy out of his own compliance. :D

            Troy has a sense of ethics that he won't involve himself in conflicts of interest. I.e. he can't be advocate to all affiliates anywhere WHILE being exec in one such company.

            Right, Troy?

    • Ryan

      Chris,

      Thanks for posting. This is a GREAT way to look at Zeek. If you get time send this to AG of North Carolina. :)

  • Sam

    Troy,

    In case you missed it, please allow me to post it again.

    Thanks for the great update.

    On the video, you mentioned about processors issues and it sounds like something is be prepared to eliminate all. Can you tell us more about it and what can we expect from this since missing bids purchases and payouts are now huge and this is the biggest and worst issues that zeek has it now. In fact I do not understand why it is so hard to solve this mass. No one really seems care about affiliates who have been waiting over 2 months for their bid purchase and outstanding payouts. Can you address these issues to zeek strongly? This is a professional business and they don't like to communicate with issues and suffers that zeek affiliates are facing right now… no words about missing bids and outstanding payouts… this is not good…

    I would appreciate your dedication and look forward to hearing about new possible solution that you mentioned on the video as well. Thanks

    • Troy Dooly

      @Sam,

      I do not know all the details. At the last Red Carpet Day it was explained that Zeek was working with a new well respected international payroll processor that once all the details werr arraigned would allow the affiliates to buy bis and receive income through their current debit card(s) connected to their bank accounts. Not a Zeek customer card, but your current personal or business debit card.

      I have not heard from a large amount of people about missing bid purchases or payouts. I have received a few emails on payouts that are stuck in the eWallet systems, but not from Zeek.

      Can you explain a little on this issue you bring up?

      As for not caring I totally disagree. Each time I send an inquiry to the home office asking questions on behalf of affiliates, they seem to be fixed ASAP. I think it is more a situation where so many people are sending in tickets. (One person sent 51 tickets on the same issue in one day)

      Please provide me more details on the issue at hand and let me see if we can get answers.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

    • Kevin

      @Sam They're working on setting up an ACH so we don't have to deal with the Ewallets.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Clearing_H

      • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

        Which only illustrates that Zeek much operates like a headless chicken… They spent MONTHS to move all you affiliates to eWallets, and now they want you to move OUT of eWallets… in a few months.

        • John A.

          Chang….Brilliant! This is a perfect explanation of how they have run this business. They simply lack the wisdom, leadership, management skills and personnel to manage proactively instead of reactively.

  • Shaun

    Hi Troy, I have sent you an email regarding this.

    I’ve been with Zeek 12 months, ups, downs and bumps. And have enjoyed the ride for the most part. There have been many issues, the eWallets being one. I’ve been receiving payments (earnings) regularly to the eWallets, with the odd delay of a day or two.

    I do have a quite a large downline and in touch with some of the (Big Hitters) leaders. Since the 23rd July 2012 “Some” payments are not being met. These are payments from Zeek to the eWallets, not eWallets holding money. Feedback is coming through more and more.

    I’m owed 5 figures (due to compliance :-) ) I can’t say how much. Payment from Zeek to eWallet 30/7/2012 NOT RECEIVED. Payment from Zeek to eWallet 6/8/2012 NOT RECEIVED. Another payment due from Zeek to eWallet 13/08/2012…

    My downline are reporting the same issue, along with some of the leaders. Unfortunately, corporate haven’t given any news why there is a delay. Now there may be some glitch (there have been many) but 3 weeks outstanding payments and not a word!

    As an avid supporter of Zeek, spending 12 months building a sizeable team, I’m a little disappointed that I have to come here and tell people, that money is owed. Corporate should be on it!

    • Troy Dooly

      @Shaun,

      Got it and sent it up the chain

      • Shaun

        Thanks Troy

      • confused

        Can the community be updated about this?! it's been crazy seeing Shaun's ride and we'd like to see what happens. Can you update us on the comments?

        • Troy Dooly

          @Confused?

          What specifically do you want updated on? All the issues discussed in the last few comments?

          • confused

            specifically Shaun's issue and what the result is. And maybe even any reason the company gives as to why he's three weeks behind.

            By the way, thanks for all you do and actually for conversing with your patrons!

    • Kevin

      @Shaun,

      It wouldn't happen to be STP would it?

      unSOLID unTRUSTworthy noPAY? lol. If it is, I completely feel your pain.

      Good thing NXPay is back up, I here they're working ok.

      • Shaun

        @ Kevin, no. The money hasn't been released by Zeek. It hasn't hit any eWallet as of yet.

        I haven't really had a problem get the money out of Payza, Nxpay or STP (when I receive it). It's payments from Zeek have stopped suddenly and no one seems to have an answer.

  • Jaden

    Have any of you zeekrewards read the term/policy on zeekler and zeekrewards website? It is a joke.

    @ troy dooly, have you been keeping up with behindmlm? Those guys are up to date and have more indept info then you. I think you should go over there and have more debate with them.

    Digging deeper for info.

    Jaden

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jaden,

      Well I am glad to see that Oz has more in-depth info. Sadly you did not see the need to be specific on what information you feel they have that the folks here do not have.

      And since my life doesn't revolve around Zeek but a whole profession, I don't usually take time to debate in all the other communities :)

  • confused

    Troy,

    I don't seem to be understanding a few things. I joined not too long ago and have been getting paid daily. It's great, I love Zeek so far. But when I scour the support forums for affiliates, it gets discouraging, QUICK.

    If the lower people in the company are making their money and getting paid on time and are able to withdraw the money they want, and the higher ups are always getting delayed payments and having trouble withdrawing the money they've earned, would that lead you to believe the company is having trouble paying the higher earners?

    There are a lot of people making money. Some very little, some a lot, it's all of course based on the effort they put in. But the people that have apparently put in a lot of effort aren't able to get paid daily and in some cases I've seen they're 3-4 days behind, and the payments from them that have been requested, in some cases, are over a month delayed.

    Any ideas? Do you think this is something of a concern to newer people?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Confused,

      Well you ask a great question. It would seem to be, it would be better to pay the higher ups if a company was having problems, so they would not start griping and pulling their teams out of the company. So no I would not agree this would be a sign on a company having issues.

      I have checked with some field leaders, and they have not seem this type of situation taking place. In their organizations they have seen people at all levels have experienced the same frustrations across the board, eWallets, CS, delay in points posting, downgrades due to credit card issues etc.

      The only delay I have heard of in pay, has not come form the Zeek side, but from the delay in transferring the funds from Zeek to EWallets.

      If I am misunderstanding please correct my train of thought.

      Overall I do not think there is one specific thing a new person should be worried about. But I do believe all affiliates should fully understand what the business model is about, and how to promote it.

      Just today, I was contacted by a top network marketing leader NOT in Zeek and after listening to his concerns, once again found affiliates promoting Zeek illegally and out of compliance. And those folks have been turned over to the compliance team.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • confused

        These were mainly things that customers were talking about on the zeek support forums. Granted, if you go into a hospital, being a new human being just magically zapped onto the planet, you're going to think the entire world is sick, because you're at a hospital. Same concept for the support forum, people go there for help, so naturally a lot of people are having problems. For there being close to 2 million affiliates, there probably aren't THAT many complaints on the forums, so that is a great thing.

        The main thing I've seen, which I know you don't have access to, is people saying they're owed quite a bit of money that hasn't been paid out yet. Again, compared to how many affiliates there are, more people are probably being paid than are not.

        Anyway, thanks for all your research. I've used you as a great tool for my business in the very short time I've been in it.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Confused,

          Maybe you can help me. These folks who seem to be owed money. Do we know what they are saying they are owed… Matrix payout, matching bonuses, RPP or what?

          • confused

            what's your email? they haven't said, but one person said he's approaching 6 figures being owed to him. I don't know how valid that is, but I can shoot you his name.

          • Troy Dooly
          • Steve

            Here is a specific of missing bids. Many of us have been waiting for bids we purchased on stp June 23 when the transaction completed on the stp side but bids did not get credited to the Zeek side. It has been a long time of not earning points. Zeeks says they are working on it. Can you escalate that issue?

          • Troy Dooly

            @Steve,

            The only way I can do anything is through a private message with the ZR id's and specific information on each situation.

  • Alessio

    Hello…..i'm an italian member of zeekrewards (excuse me for my english)…..

    I don't understand all posts in this page…..

    but my questions is easy:

    "zeekrewards have problem or not?"

    for my experience in three months i don't have any problems….. pay me every day and I request a withdrawal small (25$)….and arrive in my e-wallet (payza) in 2 weeks (the time that zeekrewards say to me……16 July i request….30 July arrive)

    I understand that the problem don't in zeekrewards but in the way that affiliates promotes this MLM…..

    but there is a course (obbligated for american people) and in this course there are the laws for the correct work….

    Excuse me for my english….

    bye

    • Troy Dooly

      @Alessio,

      Welcome to the community, and do not worry about your English.

      As with any public forum, where folks do not have to publish their full names, it is sometimes hard to distinguish who really has issues and who does not.

      I make it clear to folks if they have an issue to send me private emails, and I will forward to the right people. I get a few a day, five to six on average, and some of them are from the same folks.

      With out a doubt, there are issues, so don;t get me wrong. Communication is still weak, support tickets are still high, and the eWallets are causing people to go nuts. And as for the pay issues, I am still trying to distinguish if they are issues with downgrades, bid purchases posting or what.

      So hopefully if folks keep posting we will get to the bottom of things.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • Jim

    I am a Diamond member of zeekrewards and the posts on zeeks private blog is concerning me more and more of people not getting paid, Shaun being one of the many. I purchased 10k bids and so did a few "friends" of mine. I hope ZEEKS lack of communication to it's affiliates improves or every one is going to panic. Troy if you have an ear of the senior people at ZEEK please tell them to communicate better with us, no more rah rah crap on the "training calls" they need to tell us everything that is going on and address our concerns. Thanks Troy

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jim,

      I am not sure I fully understand, so I want to ask a couple of questions so I can get clarity.

      1. There are folks who are saying that Zeek has not paid them? Do we know what they have not been paid i.e. matrix commissions, matching bonuses etc.?

      2. What does the purchase of your bids have to do with the first part of the statement? Are you saying your bids have posted and your upline has not been paid on those bids?

      3. Send me a private email the ZR ID of the folks in question, and I will shoot to home office for review.

      • Shaun

        Just a quick one Troy,

        All of the above is being paid, matrix, matching bonus, 10% first level, 5% second level and Retail Profit Share in to the back office.

        What the problem is…

        You request your payment (withdrawal), it gives you a date 30/7 Payza that the money will be released. There has been to odd day delay, money being released to the eWallet say the 31/7/2012 instead of the 30/7.

        What's happening now, is the withdrawal are not being paid to eWallets on those dates.

        For example:

        Payment due to Payza 30/7 NOT PAID

        Payment due to Payza 6/8 NOT PAID

        I know one hasn't received a payment for 23/7.

        For me and a few others I know, it's not getting the money or waiting for the eWallets to release.

        Its ZEEK not releasing the funds the eWallets.

  • Julius

    Hi Troy,

    I agree with confused.

    I personally enjoy zeek biz but honestly

    they have many issues that need to be addressed professionally.

    First of all, when some issues occur, they don't say anything about that many times. For example, I've been hearing so many missing vip bid purchases on the community but for over 2 months zeek hasn't mentioned anything about that and at the same time affiliates are still waiting for their bids without knowing when.. I think this is the biggest issue that zeek has now.

    Secondly, there are so many outstanding payouts since June. Some are small but some are huge like over $70K… but again zeek doesn't say anything about this matter either.

    Thirdly, there are too much programming glitches here and there in their system. For example, some got paid twice for their daily rewards, someone paid for subscription but it is not applied to their account and it still appears as unpaid, negative balance on set aside fund which can't be possible and 500 internal error for registration and credit card processing…

    Even many companies that are way bigger than zeek have no problem with credit card transactions but why only zeek has so many credit card errors?

    In fact, why would they need to use 3rd party credit card processing companies offshore anyway?

    Affiliates are confused when they are chraged by a company that they have ever heard before.

    There are many other issues but again zeek has never mentioned or explained clearly..

    I'm sure you're aware of some of these issues but I"m sure you're missing a big piece of puzzle here. These issues are way bigger than what you heard…

    There are at least a few hundred affiliates are still waiting for their missing bids and payouts..

    If you can get an access to zeek community, come and see please. You will be very surprised or probably shocked by issues that are posted from many affiliates daily.. They are mostly technical issues which no one can help except zeek corp… but no news and no words.. they're busy promoting future plan without fixing current issues that many zeek affiliates are suffering…

    Again, I like zeek and I'm sure they will come out of this challenging period… but at the same time, I'm really hoping they communicate with affiliates…

    If you have a chance, please address these issues for all affiliates.. we don't want to see zeek falls..

    Thank you.

    • Jim

      Troy Julius is correct, well said Julius. And like Julius I like zeek also, I have a lot at stake and want zeek to prosper, but when you read 100s of people not being paid it gives you the heebie jeebies lol Of course zeek says they are behind and working around the clock to get caught up, and maybe that's true. But paying people on time in our business is the holy grail of MLM.

      • Troy Dooly

        @Jim,

        I agree that any affiliates not being paid what is owed is important.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Julius,

      Thank you for joining us and adding value to this conversation. I do have a few questions to help me figure this out and how to articulate it to the Lexington.

      1. When you say "missing bid purchases" do you mean they just have not posted yet? I know when they stopped accepting bid purchases at the home office, it did allow they to start getting the bids posted faster, but not sure if they are caught up yet. From the sounds of it they are still behind.

      2. When you say "payouts" can you be a little more specific? Are we talking about matrix pay, matching bonuses, RPP or what?

      3. The coding is being worked on now, and should be completed between now and the convention. It seems as the new crew fixes one part of the code, it does cause issue at time in other places, as it is all fixed. With a database the size of Zeek's I can fully understand the issue. I also fully understand the frustration and anger that affiliate's feel. The new team has not even been there for a full month, and they have to fix issues that could date back 15 years.

      4. The international fraud that his Zeek early this year caused major issues with the possessors. In talking with Caldwell, they now have new possessors coming on board soon. He made this announcement at the Red Carpet Day. He also announced he was finalizing a new commission processing partnership which would allow affiliates to use their current debit cards attached to their own bank accounts to pay for bids and collect commissions. Like the eWallets, I don't like 3rd party processors either. But until all the security got in place, there was not a US based gateway that was going to take another chance.

      It is my understanding that when this type of issue happens, once the company has corrected the security issues and can prove they are well inside the new PCI compliance regulations, that the company has to go through an appeals process. Plus I am sure there will still be a hefty reserve requested.

      And, when it comes to the credit card errors, I can say that I personally have had issues with companies far larger than Zeek. Microsoft is one such company. I am a me,ber of their TechNet, and when I went to renew my subscription, it told me my credit card was accepted and they hit my bank account, but yet the API used to communicate to the company some how glitched and it was two weeks before we got it fixed. And like Zeek trying to get a live person (who speaks English) never did happen.

      5. It doesn't matter if it is a few hundred or just one. When affiliates are concerned about pay then it is an issue. As large as the Zeek field force is, I am sure that a few hundred seems small to the folks who are working the CS lines and as moderators. But I see it like unemployment. If the unemployment rate is .01 people get excited… except for the one person who is 100% unemployed.

      I will talk to Greg and see what is taking place in all these areas. If you get time please help me understand the pay issue.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • Mark

        Hey Troy. The pay issue is two fold. 1. Many payments are delayed. Zeek will say they pay on Monday, but then you may not get your money delivered to the ewallet until 2, 3 or 10 days later. Some, like Shaun, have not been paid for 3 weeks. Zeek has never explained to us why the delay in payment. This can be especially bothersome since they hold the money for 2 weeks anyway without the delay. It's hard to understand why if the money is held for 2 weeks they then need to hold the money an additional 3 or 4 days, or in the case of Shaun, an additional 2 or 3 weeks.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Mark,

          There is a delay from the time affiliates request and the money is transferred into the eWallets due to the fact Zeek has to know what to deposit in each of the eWallets based on the amount of requested. I am not sure the total time delay. But I do know once the money is transferred it takes at least 3 days if not more depending on the time of the week. I would say, ten days should be the max.

          As for two weeks, I can remember when it was 45 days before I would be paid :)

          Now, I can sure understand the frustration and concern when there is little or no communication on top of the original issues.

          I am taking all this and putting these together as questions to see if I can get some answers.

          Outside of that, if you or others will provide your ZR ID I will gladly shoot this to the very top.

          • Mark

            @Troy,

            When Zeek sends money to my NxPay account, they send me an email. Generally, within a few minutes I get an email from NxPay saying it has been received.

            Why does it take 3 days or more after the 2 week hold? Why would it take that long for Payza or STP to receive money from Zeek once Zeek sends the payment command?

            I don't understand the delay. NxPay states on their website that once a company sends the command to pay, that the money is deposited into the NxPay recipients account within seconds. So I am confused about the additional 3 to 10 days needed after the 2 week hold. Could you clarify?

            For what it's worth, every time I have requested a check, I've been paid. I've had to wait as long as a week after the 2 week hold, but I've been paid every time so far.

            Thanks for the info.

          • Shaun

            Hi Troy,

            I think the main point is being missed here. I have been in Zeek for 12 months and received payments regularly every week. When it was cheques, every week, no problem.

            Then we moved to the eWallets, odd glitch still paid.

            Then another glitch took 5 days to get payment. Zeek News reported that there was a delay.

            So lets go back to the start.

            Joined Zeek August 2011 paid every week without delay. No problem, making money, can cope with glitches of a growing company.

            30/7/2012 NOT PAID Zeek to Payza

            6/8/20012 NOT PAID Zeek to Payza

            Another payment due 13/07/2012

            All payments are 5 figures.

            A couple of people I know haven't received payment going back to 23/07/2012.

            Now I don't mind waiting 45 days for my payment, not a problem. But what I want to know is why we have been paid every week for nearly 12 months, then the payments suddenly stop!

            So it's not about waiting for the first payment takes 45 days. We have been receiving payments until recently.

            And with all due respect, this is what is happening, we keep discussing it, going round in circles, with NO ANSWERS.

            If Zeek just come out and say "Guys, some people haven't received payments, there is a delay, we are working on it, all payments will be up to date by…….. "

            That's fine! Considering they have been paying for 12 months.

            But nothing! No one seems to have an answer.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Shaun,

            Fully understand! Shot this up, reach out next Tuesday if you have not heard from Zeek

          • Shaun

            Sorry payment due should be 13/8/2012 not 13/07/2012 :-)

      • Troy Dooly

        @Julius,

        This is very helpful for me. What would be even better because as you know there are so many affiliates, if you know some of the affiliates personally this has happened to, if you could get them to contact me via my contact form, and provide me with their ZR ID and the exact situation I will gladly shoot this to the top.

        I do know that if during any transmission of data there is even a nanosecond of interruption it will wreck havoc on folks. Although, I do not know if that is what happened in all these cases, I do know it has happened in the past when Zeek was trying to pay affiliates and the two servers (Zeeks and the eWallets) stop communicating. So let's get this handled ASAP. One day is to long, let alone two months.

        So, the issue is that the eWallet is not transferring the money to the affiliates after they request it?

  • hopeful

    Troy,
    Most of the concerns are related to Shaun, as he's posted in the support forum quite a few times and places about missing his large payment, twice now (and probably again this coming monday as well if we expect the same issues).

    So you DO have his information, via email as well as his post here.

    The larger concern for me is, when he has posted a few times on the forum about these very large payments not being sent from zeek to his ewallet, he is not even getting responded to (other than to tell him he's being too negative).

    So not even being acknowledged is definitely not helping the situation.

    When you log into the support forum, and see a very large affiliate with a very large downline saying he hasnt been paid for 3 weeks +, and its a very large sum of money, and support does not even acknowledge the problem with even a 'we've sent your issue up the chain, and we'll let you know as soon as we find out something'.

    It really causes great concern for anyone else reading it, that may also be having problems getting paid, or that are planning to request a payment.
    In my opinion, the instant he posted about missing payments, it should have been immediately acknowledged, responded to, and should have been answered by now.
    Hopefully since he's now contacted you as well, we'll be able to hear from him soon that he's been paid.

    • Troy Dooly

      @hopeful,

      I checked his email, and I do not find it in my sent mail database. Now that does not mean he has not used a different email to contact me.

      I also check in my Zeek Rewards sent mail and do not see anything. But again that does not mean anything. If he used his ZR id it might not pull.

      Sean should be able to resend if he sent and I did not respond.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • Shaun

        Hi Troy, you said that you received my email and sent it up the chain.

        I'll send another email with the exact details now

        • Troy Dooly

          @Shaun,

          If you got a response it went up! And I just shot it up again. I will also be double checking and pushing this to get you some answers. Since it is Friday, reach out again next Tues in my email!

  • Alessio

    Where i can find the official forum of zeekrewards???

  • Alessio

    Ok i'm register now :-)

    For my opinion….. now there are in summer….so if zeekrewards don' t pay every day for me is normal…. probably they have some workers in holyday…..

    In this three months that i'm in i have had this problem: for 2 days for example i don' t riceive the payment….. but the third day riceive all ! :-)

    For my experience zeekrewards have some problems with supports (i have send 2 tickets but i don't have any answer)…. and they have some problems with programmation of the site….. for example in italy there are some problems when a new member register in….appear a message of error and many times the person have multiple registration (when see the error register again)….

  • Julius

    Troy,

    Thanks for your proper response.

    I've never had any vip bid purchase issues personally. But I saw so many posts from frustrated affiliates in the community. What I meant by missing vip bids was bids that were purchased through processors like payza and stp. They paid and purchased vip sample bids well over 2 months ago, somehow those bids haven't not been credited to affiliates who purchased.. and they are still waiting and waiting… it's over 2 months now according their time stamp. And it's not just 1-2 affiliates.. They are so many reporting that they paid it through processors but no credit to their zeek accounts.. As you know, zeek doesn't give any credit for those period that they could have earned if their order was proceeded properly without any errors 2 months ago… in fact, I don't want to blame it's all zeek's fault because sometimes processor site was down and affiliates kept purchasing.. but the problem is zeek's response.. why is it so hard to give what they paid for? maybe 1-2 weeks reasonable.. but over 2 months period ..affiliates are still waiting .. some of them purchased a large amount … those can be easily found in the community.. I think zeek moderators are trying to help but no progress.. very sorry for those who have been waiting so long..

    Regarding credit card issues, I understand that we have some issues with many companies.. but I think zeek is a bit different.. when affiliates have a credit card issues, there is no way for them to get immediate support.. and those 500 internal issues seem like it never disappears.. and no one really know why this happens even though they said it's valid cards and followed the exact instructions given by a tutorial video…

    For payouts, it's actual withdrawal that affiliates requested via payza and stp. I think affiliates can wait and understand some system upgrades, programming glitches, late daily reward posting…but this is not acceptable .. once affiliates report outstanding payouts that they requested June and July, the other affiliates are starting to worry about zeek stability as well.. I don't think zeek pays withdrawals selectively like paying small and holding large withdrawal… but it has to do with processors again… but problem is.. zeek doesn't say anything about this … affiliates are worrying.. submitting a support ticket.. no response.. more and more affiliates are reporting missing withdrawal payout to their processors… at least zeek needs to tell us what happened and why this happens… and how they will handle… we have right to know why our payouts are missing while the others are receiving… and how they will take care of those missing payouts..

    It looks like missing commission and matrix issues do not occur frequently.. to many affiliates.. so this one is not so seriously discussed as of now..

    Again, I'm not trying to talk badly about zeek here..but trying to point out some major issues that need to be addressed to the corp ASAP.. Since you have a contact, please deliver these issues for all of us..

    Maybe they're working on these issues now.. but it will be great at least they let us know what's being done… through zeeknews..

    Thank you Troy.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Julius,

      This is very helpful for me. What would be even better because as you know there are so many affiliates, if you know some of the affiliates personally this has happened to, if you could get them to contact me via my contact form, and provide me with their ZR ID and the exact situation I will gladly shoot this to the top.

      I do know that if during any transmission of data there is even a nanosecond of interruption it will wreck havoc on folks. Although, I do not know if that is what happened in all these cases, I do know it has happened in the past when Zeek was trying to pay affiliates and the two servers (Zeeks and the eWallets) stop communicating. So let’s get this handled ASAP. One day is to long, let alone two months.

      So, the issue is that the eWallet is not transferring the money to the affiliates after they request it?

      • Julius

        Troy,

        Thanks again.

        I'm working on zeek alone and do not know anyone in the community personally. And since there are so many of them experiencing these issues, I can't really pick a few.

        Yes, this is all about ewallet. As I said, I personally believe that zeek does this purposely but somehow zeek server and ewallet servers(payza/stp) are not communicating properly for months..

        I think it doesn't matter how well zeek is complaint in every angle.. when people don't get their withdrawal that they've requested, that's not a good sign..

        What makes this worse is no words from zeek.

        They don't say anything about how they would handle

        those 2 major problems – missing bid purchase and missing withdrawal to their ewallet…

        So many affiliates are suffering.. without knowing when these issues will be fixed .. and every week there are more and more transactions compiling..

        These need an immediate attention.

        Again, please get into the zeek community if you can. I'm sure you will notice things I've shared with you easily.

        Thank you again.

        By the way, how do I contact you via email if I want in the future?

        • Julius

          sorry need a correction.

          I don't believe zeek is doing this purposely..

          But I believe it's a communication issues between zeek server and ewallet server.

          • http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com K. Chang

            Or there's a fundamental disconnect between Zeek and eWallet… much like Dawn did.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Julius,

          YOu can reach me at TroyDooly@MLMHelPDesk.com

  • Jim

    Thanks for looking out after us Troy, we are just guys tryin to make a livin and want to believe in what we are doing 100% ZEEK just needs to communicate with us better, tell us there are credit card problems and how they are being fixed, and whatever other issues there are. If we aren't informed we scower cyber world looking for answers. I know many people in my upline who do get paid on time and don't have issues, that's the only reason I am with Zeek, it's a leap of faith and my life savings is riding on the line, and all I or anyone else wants are straight answers. Peace Troy (:

  • Ed

    Ok Troy,

    This may not be the place to ask but I really need to know what's going on in Montana. When asking Zeek customer service, well no answers there.. I can't find anything on it anywhere. So, if you have any information on this I would appreciate what ever you can offer.

    Ed

    • Troy Dooly

      @Ed,

      This is a great place to ask. I was on a call this week and Greg Caldwell stated everything should be cleared up. He was waiting on some paperwork. The issue was filing the annual report from my understanding.

      I will double check to see if I can get more solid info.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • Linda

        I, too, (being a Montana resident and z affiliate for over a year) am waiting to hear when the Montana issue will be resolved. I watch my account everyday because with the lack of communication from the company, I don't want to go in one day and find out that I have been demoted to a free member because the issue was resolved and I didn't put aside funds quickly enough to renew my subscription.

        Currently, Montana residents are not even allowed to put aside the funds for subscription renewal because of the "unique set of laws that zeek has to comply with."

      • http://realscam.com GlimDropper

        With all due respect Troy but something isn't adding up here. Dawn announced the problem in Montana in early June (I can dig up the call reference if it would be helpful). If the "Montana problem" was just failure to file an annual report why has it taken more than two months to remedy? I mean we aren't back in the days of the pony express, FedEx next day air could have gotten any required forms to Montana any number of last weeks ago.

        Please don't tell me this will be swept into the trash bin of time like all of Paul's OFAC fibs where he claimed he had to ban a bunch of nations because of "sanctions" and only when that excuse blew up in his face did he own up to any "fraud problem."

        Now that was a good ploy on his part because the fraud problems did in fact exist but the problem was with his website and not with the six nations he banned.

        You admitted on this very blog post that they are working feverishly to become PCI compliant so they can stop factoring their credit card transactions through financial back doors and back waters. Which tells me that lo these many months after the fact the ZR website has still not incorporated the security features required to get their own credit card merchant account.

        I think Paul owes Slovenia an apology.

        Back to Montana. Troy, if the real problem is a lack of filing the required annual report what would you expect the timeline for fixing this problem would be. I remind you, this problem is more than two months old. Hell, the pony express could have gotten that report from Lexington to Montana by now.

        Do you blame me for wondering if there might be more to the story than what they have been telling you? Can you see how, with all your access to the top leadership of the company, getting to the bottom of this issue might be of help to the people who turn to you for information?

        Please Troy, don't let Montana become the new Slovenia.

        • Troy Dooly

          @GlimDropper,

          I have been told all the paperwork had been delivered to Montana. I have also been watching for any new info from Montana and have not seen it.

          Do not read into my PCI Compliance statement that it was not done months ago. There is an appeal process that takes months before a company is through the process.

          I will add this to the list of questions this week. Since AGs talk off the record to each other, there is always the possibility that Montana has been sitting on the paperwork for a specific reason.

          • Linda

            Yesterday my worst fear was realized and I was downgraded to a free member at 60 days past the last date paid, 6/12.

            Montana residents are not allowed to renew, so now I am losing points. I suspect this will be happening to all Montana affiliates in short order.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Linda,

            It has happened from day one as dates came due to my understanding.

          • http://realscam.com GlimDropper

            You have not seen anything new from Montana's AG but your logic and experience tells you that if the only problem was a failure to file an annual report this would have been resolved already. AG's might be talking off the record but if they were they wouldn't be talking about annual reports.

            ZR affiliates in Montana are losing the money they used [to purchase one of ZR's monthly Premium Business Center subscription plans] and no one at ZR is willing to tell them why.

            I recall what I took to be a rather callous reply on your part to someone from one of Paul's banned countries who could not get any answer from ZR. Despite the fact that this was an issue involving affiliates in six separate nations and a US company you recommended they file a class action lawsuit. That advice was in lieu of actually using your access to find any real answers to any of their questions.

            I'm just wondering how long you would recommend the Montana affiliates should wait before following your advice and take advantage of the fact that they have no language or jurisdictional barriers in establishing a class or filing a lawsuit?

            I mean really, how long should they people be expected to wait for an answer or for their money? If ZR can't do buisness in Montana doesn't it at least owe it's affiliates there a refund?

          • Troy Dooly

            @GlimDropper,

            I agree AGs would not be talking about annual reports. However, they could be comparing notes, and the AG put a hold on approving the ZR paperwork through the Sec of State until his office finishes their investigation, or the investigation of the NC AG. I am stretching and realize that. Until I get definitive answers from RGV or the Montana AG, I am fully speculating.

            My advice is never in lieu of me using my access to find answers. However, you could say it is advice I will give to ensure answers for affiliates. And knowing you have followed me for a while, you should know I hate lawsuits of any kind, but understand at times they are the only way to find answers.

            None of the former affiliates had any barriers for filing a class action suit. I have two law firms who will always look out for affiliates from any country when it involves a US based company. They are both very large firms, and they always have room to take on a class action law suit when it is merited.

            Now back to Montana. At this moment I do not see any grounds for a class action suit, unless affiliates can prove that after being notified by Montana they could not operate in the state, that RVG continued to take money from current or potential affiliates from that state.

            If that has not happened, then I am not sure there would be grounds… unless

            Those affiliates who were active at the time of the ban by Montana, have requested a refund for their bid purchases, and for their subscription payment (for the month of the ban) and have not received it.

            If they have not received a refund, since it is in the companies control and not the affiliates, then this could give grounds for a class action suit if there are enough victims to form a class.

            And, I have been told that all affiliates and customers who have asked for refunds were cut refunds.

  • Alessio

    Hi Troy,,,,,,I'm new so…… i have a question (maybe stupid):

    but are in contact with leader of ZeekRewards….?

    i don't undesrtand this think :-)

    If you are in contact with they probably i follow this forum every day :-)

    greatings

    Alessio

    • Troy Dooly

      @Alessio,

      There are no stupid questions. :)

      I am in contact with RVG corporate on a regular basis. Not everyday, but up to several times a week.

      As I see issues or I am contacted privately I do my best to make sure that corporate fully understands the needs and concerns of the affiliates.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • alex

    Troy

    I just heard that you will be coming to T Le Mont's Webinar next Thursday I cant wait to listen to you on there :)

  • alex

    Ok Everyone here is a problem that I ran in to with signing up new people in to Zeek rewards …

    Once they fill in all the information and click on to submit (to create an account) the next page that comes up it says that user name is locked or something along those lines

    do not be alarmed the user still got registered and he or she is active as a free member. Try going on the new users website that you just registered and it will work and login and upgrade from there .

    If it is not clear what I wrote just let me know and I will explain it again

  • Ed

    Thank you Troy ,

    I will look for that information.

    Ed

  • Jeff B.

    Troy,

    This is Jeff B. I have no ill will if you don't remember as you are hounded on like crazy regarding Zeek. Is it possible to call you and have a chat? I'm not trying to do anything else other than talk. You have done an awesome job speaking out and I would just love to hear your opinion privately.

    Thanks,

    Jeff B.

    • Troy Dooly

      Shoot me an email and we will schedule a time.

  • jaden

    Folks/zeekheads,

    Since Mr. Troy Dooly doesn't have time to go to "behindmlm" website and debate with "Oz, Jimmy, K. Chang", then I will post their comments here….

    Hax2TheMax#84

    " In an effort to prove to a family member who has been tricked into giving money to this company with the hopes of building a retirement, I took it upon myself as a web application programmer by trade to set up some automated monitoring of the zeekler auction site sniffing server responses using fiddler logging over a 24 hour period.

    I collected logs of all auctions held on the site in order to determine how much money the auctions are generating per day for Zeek. Here are my findings:

    Total Auctions held: 180

    Total Item Value $19,697.10

    Average Item Value: $109.43

    Average Winning Bid: $16.27

    Total Winning Bids: $2,928.36 (292,836 Bids)

    Total Bid Revenue = (Total Winning Bids * $1/Bid) = $292,836

    Total Profit therefore would be:

    Total Bid Revenue (292,836) +

    Total Auction Revenue (2,928.36) –

    Total Item Value (19,697.10) =

    $276,067.26

    Divide that by two as they split the profit 50/50 and I don’t think you quite have enough to meet the day’s profit share. Do the math and it’s easy to see how legitimate this company is."

    Oz#85

    @hax2themax

    Total Bid Revenue = (Total Winning Bids * $1/Bid) = $292,836

    You forgot one important part of the equation:

    Liability against each bid purchased through the 90 day ROI = >$292,836 (+20% commissions if bought through a customer account)

    I’m not saying your maths is right or wrong (it also left out 65c retail bids), but adding in liability to your equation:

    Total Bid Revenue (292,836) +

    Total Auction Revenue (2,928.36) –

    Total Item Value (19,697.10) = $276,067.26 -

    Total bid liability = >292,836 at least

    = a whole boat load of Ponzi.

    "

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jaden,

      I believe you already posted this in the community and many people already showed where the math was not correct. You might want to dig a little deeper after you post a comment to see what folks have said.

      Now the sad thing is the people who joined Zeek Rewards, should NEVER have joined. I have never met anyone who starts a business to fund their retirement. The odds are they were mislead by some affiliate who was totally out of compliance to join an "investment". The affiliate should be terminate. So why don't you go ask for the affiliates name so I can add them to the Wall of Shame? Do something really good for this couple!

      Now as for my side of things… Here is what this programmer did not supply

      1. When did the 24 hour period start?

      2. What was the date of the tracking?

      3. Also, he got wrong the 50/50 split… but most folks do.

      Living An EPic Adventure,
      Troy

      • Jaden

        @troy dooly, that’s a new one

        • jaden

          @Troy Dooly,

          You are "the man" to speak to. You seem to have more info than most Zeekrewards members. So please give me the list of things that are considered as out of compliance.

          Digging deeper for info

          Jaden

          • Troy Dooly

            @Jaden,

            I am not sure I totally understand what you are referring. The Zeek Rewards Affiliates in the USA (125K plus) have taken the compliance course and are fully aware of what is compliant and what is not, from general network marketing to Zeek Rewards specifically.

            http://yougetpaidtoadvertise.com/zeek101 is also a great place for information.

            Outside of that, if you can get a little more specific on exactly what you are looking for I will gladly try to help.

            ZeekRewardsWebinar.com is also a great place to go daily for training.

      • Cynbad

        I've been entertaining myself for the last 20 minutes reading s the posts. Geez many people have way too much idle time on their hands. But your comment above: "Now the sad thing is the people who joined Zeek Rewards, should NEVER have joined." I'm confused. Is that what you truly feel? I've read numerous comment from you that imply the company is good and legit. My story — have been an affiliate since 2/29. Spent about 3K over the course of that time buying bids and giving them away. Personally sponsored six. Have $4,300 in earnings heading to my NxPay beginning tomorrow. Love this company and how it is enriching many lives.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Cynbad,

          There are many folks who should never have joined Zeek Rewards period, and there are two main reasons.

          1. The First is because there are truly some bad people in Zeek Rewards, who knowingly promote it was outside of the company compliance. And they promote it as a HYIP aka Ponzi.

          2. Second, there folks who have joined Zeek Rewards who do not have a clue what they have joined, and because of that have false expectations. SOme did not do any due diligence and others trusted the folks I mentioned above.

          I do hope that clears up that point for you.

          I do not have a problem with Zeek Rewards being legit, I do feel they still have red flags. Some caused by affiliates promoting wrong, and the others are business issues like communication, and commission issues. Some of these are external, but some are internal. All cause issues for the affiliates and that is not cool.

          They are working on these and other things the AG will address. Once their team is on top of these, then things should smooth out.

          Living An Epic Adventure,
          Troy

          • cynbad

            Thanks Troy. So there are people who join companies specifically to try to bring them down — like because they have a competitive interest they desire to prevail? I'm so naiive I would never have considered people will go to those lengths. Sad world we live in for oh so many reasons.

  • Julius

    Troy,

    Can you confirm that you read my last comment

    posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm?

    Thanks for all your hard work and dedication.

    Again, I'm encouraging you to get into zeek's

    community and see what issues affiliates are

    facing most.. You will be very surprised.

    Thank you.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Julius,

      I answered the last comment I saw of yours, asking for a little more clarification on one point.

      I am approving more comments right now, so if it is not live yet, I would not have read it.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • jaden

    Here is a recent posting on the NC AG Facebook page:

    " If you have information you wish to share with our office about Zeek Rewards or any other company, please contact our Consumer Protection Division: http://www.ncdoj.gov/Consumer.aspx"

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jaden,

      That is standard when regulators make it public they are investigating any company. And in this case goes right along with the recording they have at the office.

    • Dan M

      Thats a boy Jaden….keep trying…..good boy!

  • Julius

    I just left a replay but can’t find it.
    Let me post it again. Sorry.

    Troy, here’s more detail about some major issues.

    Please check out the comment posted
    on August 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm, comment-61752.

    Thank you.

  • Ed

    Troy,

    Have you heard of affiliate's having challenges with upgrading or renewing subscriptions in regards to credit cards?

    Ed

    • Troy Dooly

      Ed,

      Yes, and I have passed this up line to Greg to pass over to Josh.

  • Alessio

    Hy Troy I have a question…. I read in internet that at the end of August start a new thing…..

    Zeebates…..

    what is?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Alessio,
      Zee Bates will be a new portal where Zeek Rewards Affiliates will be able to drive customers to earn cash back from over over 5000 merchants on over 300 million products.

      • anonymous watcher

        Portal's don't work, unless you're Amazon, and this sounds just like an Amazon Affiliate program, NOT MLM.

        • Troy Dooly

          Not sure what you are referring. If you want to get an idea of what I am talking about you can review DubLi.com and DubLiNetwork.com

          • anonymous watcher

            Thanks for the link. I looked over Dubli and it seems to be a web portal, but for shopping. Here is what wikipedia says about a web portal:

            "A web portal is a web site that brings information from diverse sources in a unified way. Usually, each information source gets its dedicated area on the page for displaying information (a portlet); often, the user can configure which ones to display."

            Dubli has the following portlets I could see:

            - Penny Auctions

            - Media center

            - Shopping — similar to Amazon where merchants have their products on the website, and when the user clicks the "buy" button, they are redirected through an affiliate link so the parent company (dubli) collects the commissions and annually gives cash back to their shoppers for doing their work. I can break this down more technically with links to show you how this works.

            Amazon works the same way, except its users do not have to pay any membership fees, which saves you money. If you create your own Amazon affiliate account and only shop on Amazon through using your affiliate links, then you could be doing the same thing as Dubli, but without paying any monthly fee.

            Lastly, look at the Alexa on dubli. It peaked around mid 2011, but has been on a downward slope since then. The highest ranks are from Denmark, Switzerland, and Russia. USA ranks last on the Alexa list at #17, rank 40k.

            So again, using dubli as an example, shopping portals do not work. Unless you're amazon or some other well established LARGE company where you can buy everything on one site.

            One issue with Dubli and other portals are having a lack in products which ultimately forces users to shop somewhere else and stop paying membership fees. Why pay a website to shop there when they don't always have what you're looking for?

            I hope this makes sense =)

          • Troy Dooly

            @ Anonymous,

            In this case maybe it would be better to change the word portal, with replicated website. The system has worked and worked well for DubLi, Team Nation and Market America to name a few.

            I will respectfully disagree with you on the success of using portals or replicated websites. DubLi did peak, and took a downturn when they pulled back in the USA to tweak the compensation plan. Since their hiring of the new Senior Director of Sales, and their launch of a multi-million dollar marketing campaign in the USA, they have been on a up-tick in sales and affiliate growth.

            The three top network marketing companies using this business model, are doing over $100 million a year in revenue and their affiliates/distributors are the driving force… Not sure why you think the portal doesn't provide the best products. I know for a fact DubLi offers Apple products to top end cars and everything in between.

            Right now they are selling over $10K gift cards per day that folks use at their favorite stores.

            The historical facts prove it works. And even at Amazon, my affiliate account which I use for my bookstore does bring in a very nice income on a monthly basis. And I do not shop from my own portal. :)

          • anonymous watcher

            Hey Troy, really thanks for having this discussion. I am not going to split hairs about the replicated website / portal because it still does not fix the question of what funds RPP / where does the money come from to pay commissions?

            Zeek is fortunate to still have a (strong?) and very loyal customer following. It is good for them that they can transition their clients to the Zeebates site in order to get some more external revenue.

            Retail commissions are low. At Amazon maybe you start out at 4% commission per sale, and peak at around 8% max.

            So even if a sales affiliate portal/replicated website is doing $100 million in revenue per year, their net income can be no more than around $80,000 usd per year at an average of 8% affiliate commission, plus subscription fees and any cash back programs. Then tack on the overhead costs etc… There is not much left over

            For a company it is a GREAT business for virtually automated income with little physical overhead. You have customers pay you a subscription fee to shop at your website, AND the customers also generate affiliate commission income to the company.

            This is a good business for the owners sure. In the case of ZR, I don't see Zeebates being the cash injection vaccine that is needed to offset the compounding amount of cash the affiliates are owed to be paid.

            Just my take, thanks again!

          • Troy Dooly

            @anonymous watcher,

            No splitting hairs. I can show historical data where companies who have added eCommerce experiences of many different kinds have balanced the ratios reviewed by regulators to determine if there is enough sales volume coming into the company to justify the large commissions paid. And at the end of the day, that is the million dollar question folks ask about the RPP.

            I have covered this for months and all you or anyone else has to do is review what has been written. Everyone is in full agreement that the RPP is the issue.

            I am not sure it would be as big of issue, if folks across the net, did not purport larger than reality checks they are earning, but that all stemmed from the way ZR first promoted the RPP. I covered this hard in my first review of Zeek in Dec of last year.

            By the way we are not talking about Amazon. In this case I used several successful network marketing companies who are using the model themselves and have for years.

            Not sure if you have followed my other writings on this specific issue, but here is what might be expected from ZeeBates.

            Based on the ZRN update a few weeks ago, it would seem that after reaching 10001 points an affiliate will need 2,4,6,8 or 10 retail reps per month who are spending a specific amount at ZeeBates, Auctions etc. For this post we will focus only on ZeeBates, and will keep it only at 4 retail customers as an average

            It there are 750,000 qualified affiliates for the RPP who all have over 10001 points and they each must have 4 retail customers per month, then that would generate 3,000,000 customers per month. If each of these customers to qualify as a retail customer must spend $5 per transaction and they only have 1 transaction per month, this will generate $15,000,000.00 dollars min per month from just ZeeBates. And from what I am told this revenue will be placed inside the RPP.

            Now, I think we can both agree, that based on what we see on the internet, tens of thousands of affiliates seem to have way over 10001 points, which means my average of 4 retail customers, may be very low, and the actual revenue will be much higher.

            No matter what, ZR would have a ratio of 4 to 1 customers to affiliate.

            And, your amount of net income to the company is way low, because you are using an affiliate program at amazon, instead of taking time to fully understand the eCommerce sites inside of network marketing.

            Now since I have seen the numbers, and have the statistical numbers from other companies, I am sure I see it different.

            By the way your amazon numbers are also off a little.

            The volume based affiliate payout is 4% to 8.5%.
            The special category rates go from 4% to 25% depending on the category, not the volume.

            Amazon affiliate program

            Always good chatting :)

            Living An Epic Adventure,
            Troy

          • anonymous watcher

            Troy,

            Time will tell how Zee Bates works out. The numbers look good on paper, but let's see if there is any substance behind the numbers. I think we will all see in time.

            On the amazon affiliate, I may be missing the plot, but it still seems to me having my own amazon replicated website with my own affiliate link attached to every product seems the way to go. You mentioned upwards of 25% commission depending on a category. The 25% category is for print magazine subscriptions, a real tangible product whose market is on the decline. Also, these magazine subscriptions can be found on Amazon, not Dubli.

            The next highest Amazon % is on Endless.com, at 15%. It is an amazon website for designer shoes, handbags, jewelry, watches and fashion accessories. It is also prominent on the search results on Dubli.

            Below that are some 10% returns on various Amazon and game download products etc.

            It still makes sense to me to purchase on Amazon through a personal affiliate link. Just my opinion =)

  • Knoble

    @Troy

    Do you have any idea how long a DOJ investigation will take and when we will hear about the outcome, thanks

    • Troy Dooly

      @Knoble,

      Great question, but there is no way of knowing. But here is a quick rundown on how it works.

      1. They ask for specific information based on their preliminary findings. Once they have gone through all the information provided…

      2. They may ask for more information, or explanations on some of the issues they might have uncovered, then…

      3. Once they have all their questions answered, they will more than likely either make a site visit or call the COO and CFO to the DOJ offices to discuss the specific changes they want to see made in the marketing, compensation plan or any other areas of the business.

      4. The AG will give RVG a specific amount of time to make these changes, before they make one more review to determine all their demands have been met. Around this time the AG will issue an administrative fine to RVG, and will continue to monitor the situation.

      5. I should also make it very clear that at any time in the process the AG investigators uncover any form of fraudulent activity or criminal intent, they can push the case from a civil investigation to the criminal division for a more extensive investigation.

      I do not see anything at this time on RVG that would cause this action. However, as I have written several times over the past nine months or so, there are some ZR affiliates who have been so far outside of both current federal and state marketing laws, and outside of ZR compliance, that it would not surprise me to see some of those former and maybe current affiliates brought into any form of investigation, and sanctioned heavily.

  • hopeful

    hopefully one of the changes they will require them to make asap is paying everyone that is owed money. there are tons of ppl that still haven't been paid for their 7/23 payment requests. ridiculous to say the least.

    • Troy Dooly

      @hopeful,

      I truly do not believe it is Zeeks intention not to pay people.

      • Robert

        I agree

  • hopeful

    At this time I don't believe that is the intention either. But I really feel for all of these people that haven't for almost a month now, especially since there is absolutely no communication on Zeek's part as to why. Add to that not responding to tickets, forum posts, phone calls, live chat on the situation is just causing the problem to get way out of control.

    I really hope they add some serious communication and resources to the matter this week.

    Even little things like the fact that q/a calls for wed and thur are cancelled because they are flying to nashville 3 months early, just makes it appear that the priorities at the moment are far from where they should be.

    People that are waiting for a simple comment stating they are aware and working on the past due payments, get very annoyed when the 'national event' gets more priority than their payment does.

    • Shaun

      I totally agree with you. 3 weeks I haven't received payment, another week and it will be a 6 figure sum owed.

      I can wait no problem, if they just give us some feedback.

      • Troy Dooly

        @Shaun,

        Got your email!!!

  • Knoble

    Honestly, whenever my upline had training they said from the get go it takes 3 weeks to get your check from the time you request it. So if you request a check (when they use to pay checks) once a week you would start getting a check once a week starting in 3 weeks. I worked in different financial industries where this was not uncommon for commissions so didn't seem like a big deal but is it taking longer now?

  • steve

    Troy, You have more of an inside scoop on zeeks business model. Do you feel that it can pass the scrutiny of government officials? We all know the auctions dont bring in enough money to payout the affiliates so yhat leads me to believe that new affiliate funds are used for this purpose. I may be wrong but is their a ratio of affiliate money that can be used for internal consumption. example 50 percent. If that is legal then I can see how the model would work . If not im at a loss. The other question i have is the auction we see the only auction or are there many auctions in different countries such as russia would have one in russian, japan in japanese ect. thanks steve

    • Troy Dooly

      @Steve,

      Let me see if I can share some insight for thought.

      1. you ask a question that is hard to answer because I have no idea what branch of Government you might be talking about. If you are referring to the NC AG, yes, I feel they can pass scrutiny, but there will be some changes demanded by the AG. Outside of that, you will need to be a little more specific on which agency.

      2. We all agree the amount of auctions need to be increased, but do not leave out ALL revenue sources count towards revenue, not just the auctions. This includes the sales or products to customers from the other network marketing company RVG owns, and all other eCommerce sites, including the new Zee Bates.

      3. Regulators look for the amount of revenue that is above and beyond what it takes to qualify and max out the compensation plan. Thee is not law or regulation on the books that specifically states 50%, 51% 70% etc. But from studying past court cases we do know that regulators like to see far more than 3%, I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% to 50% is going to make regulators happy. Anything above 50% is going to really make them happy. VEMMA as an example has an 80% ratio of customers who do not build the business at all.

      Using another example OxyFresh. In their case, their distributors spend on average $300 per month on products, when all that is needed to max the comp plan is $100 per month. So the additional $200 a month in product purchases is classified as customer revenue.

      Since the critics do not always count additional revenue form RVG, they tend to get the numbers wrong, and feel the majority of commissions are being paid just from the sale of bids, and that the bids are not being used by real customers who then buy more themselves. And they may be 100% correct. However, since none of us know how much additional revenue is generated though the traffic generated by the ZR Affiliates, or how the database is truly monetized by RVG, I tend to tread lightly on stating that there is not enough revenue to please the regulators. I do think we will know soon.

      4. I am not sure I totally understand your last question. RVG does have a few different auctions sites, but they all roll back to Zeekler. They were used during the early months of split testing to see which auction took off. Outside of that, I do not believe, they run auctions targeted at specific countries. Although, there are many countries who bid on auctions daily.

      • Sandy Fitzburgh

        Hi Troy -

        I was hoping you could help with a question – please excuse the digression below but I think it helps to understand the full context of my question…

        I am a new Diamond Affiliate (July) and I was pleasantly surprised recently to get a credit for a bid pack purchase by a customer. I earned a 32.50 VIP point credit (which would correspond to a 50 retail bid pack purchase that costs $32.50, so a 1 point per $ credit).

        I asked my sponsor if I should expect more and more of this sort of credit over time; to my surprise, he indicated that it is in his experience very infrequent. He has talked to his team and upline and they confirm also that they do not see such credits very often. Admittedly this is a small sampling but I have yet to hear of any affiliate who receives such VIP credits on a regular basis.

        Some affiliates insist on telling me I am wrong and their is no such credit (probably because they haven't received it yet and are therefore are not yet aware of this part of the compensation package). It is specifically mentioned on the Zeek Rewards website – it can be found down the right hand side under "How to Get Started", 5th bullet point, so I dont think it was a mistaken credit that I received.

        My sponsor has suggested that there may be some sort of time limit or conditions on such credits. So for example, if a Zeekler Customer of mine does not buy any bids for 10 days after signing up, but buys a bid pack after this period, I would not get the direct VIP point credit for this purchase (just as an example here). I would of course still benefit from this purchase through the daily RPP cash awards, since this revenue would in any case be a part of the daily revenue shared with affiliates through the RPP.

        Another suggestion I have heard is that people get introduced to the Zeekler auctions initially through the affiliate websites that they get to through the advertisements or by signing up as Zeekler customers directly through the efforts of affliates, but then end up buying bids through a more general (non-affiliate specific) zeekler auction site(s)? This sounds odd/unlikely to me but just searching for some logical explanation that makes sense…

        So to summarize, I would love to know what the deal is with VIP point credits for Zeekler Customers that buy bid packs. Should I expect that whenever my Zeekler/PRC Customers buy bids I will be getting this 1 VIP point per $ purchased credit as long as they remain my customers? Or are there some conditions that apply where I would not get this credit and it would simply be general revenue added to the daily RPP?

        I have floated this question on the support site also, but they are as you know occupied with more pressing issues so I have not been able to get an answer. I would love to hear the answer to this if you know it; if not can you possibly run this up the flagpole and ask what the rules/conditions are with respect to VIP point credits to affiliates when their Zeekler Customers buy bid-packs?

        Thanks for all your efforts Troy

        • Troy Dooly

          @Sandy,

          Not sure on this. Let's see what the community can tell us, and I will ask HQ.

        • Shaun

          There are many commissions within the opportunity. As a Diamond member, when someone "BUYS" bids from your Zeekler Auction site (BID PACKS) you get 20% commission.

          I do get a few people buying bid packs, however, if they have become a "Customer" taking free bids, they can receive more free bids from you. So it's unlikely that you will get a lot of people buying bid packs, when the can get them for free.

          All the same, it's nice when customers buy "bid packs" gives an extra commission, on top of all the others.

          Customers – take free bids and can buy bid packs

          Affiliates – Join the Zeek Rewards Opportunity.

          VIP Points/ Bids – Give free bids to "Customers" you get one point for each bid, added to your VIP Points. Give free bids to affiliates, you get 1/2 a point for each bid given away.

          If just concentrate on getting people to take free bids from your Zeekler, you will be fine.

  • Robert

    Troy, I met you at the First Red Carpet Event in Lexington, NC. You gave me some great insight about ZR and I appreciate that…

    I have been following your posts along with K. Chang and Oz… I noticed they both avoid the fact that when we as ZR affiliates purchase bids, we have the ability to use the bids we purchase ourselves at Zeekler OR and I say OR, give them away as sample bids to our customers. I have put in quite a few customers myself of which some of them have won some GREAT items at HUGE savings on Zeekler… One of my customers called me up this past week and said that he won an Apple I pad valued at $400 for just $23.80… He also won another auction the next day… This customer has since become an affiliate and is enjoying ZR as much as I have… Our products are some of the BEST money can buy… And, I am glad the Zeekler lists so many great items to choose from each day…

    ZR is a Great company and we have an incredible Staff… I am really thankful to see the addition of GREG CALDWELL to our Elite board of Leaders… I try to look at both sides of any situation or company and see the good and the bad in each one… I wish that some of the critics and skeptics (especially the ones I already made mention to) would step back and give the positives along with the negatives… It is clear that some people have taken it upon themselves to try and ruin the reputation of ZR because they have some type of "Vendetta" against ZR… Maybe some of our critics out to take the time to step back and evaluate the POSITIVES about ZR… They might actually like what they see… I certainly appreciate all your blogs and feedback and I have noticed that YOU TRY to state the FACTS just the way you see them without subjecting so many negative connotations…

    Ironically, if some of the same critics and skeptics had "put their $ where their mouth is," they would have been "singing a much sweeter tune by now."

    Thanks for all your input and insight into ZR…

    • Jim

      Well said Robert (:

    • Morten

      @Robert

      The reason why people ignore the "you can give the sample bids away to customers, OR use them yourself" is because it isn't very important.

      Sample bids don't generate much profit in their normal daily use. They generate a one time profit when a newly recruited affiliate makes his initial purchase, and pay for them with real MONEY. It's here most of the money in ZeekRewards comes in, through the affiliates making their initial purchase(s).

      Spending bids in auctions will raise the price of an item with 1 cent per bid, so the winner will have to pay $1 extra if someone spends 100 bids.

      Repurchase of sample bids paying for them with "Cash available" from your backoffice won't generate any real profit, but it is important in other ways than profit, in that it prevents people from withdrawing too much cash too fast. So the repurchase is important for the cash flow.

      "Cash available" isn't equal to real money. To make it become real money, Zeek will have to pay real money from bank account or eWallet if anyone wants to withdraw it as cash. They can't transfer "Cash available" directly to your eWallet or bank account, they will have to bring in some real money first.

      When you pay for sample bids with "Cash available", you surely don't bring in any MONEY to add to the revenue stream, and I doubt Zeek brings in any money, either.

      So repurchase of sample bids using the "Cash available" as a payment method should technically NOT add anything to the revenue stream, the stream of real money coming IN to the company.

      However, "Cash available" can be added to a virtual system where people grow POINTS rather than money, where you can use daily "Cash available" to buy sample bids and earn VIP points, where the company can count it as virtual revenue and pay a virtual profit as "Cash available" — where you can continue to grow a virtual balance in POINTS. And that's very close to be a description of Zeek's business model.

      So the "you can give them away OR use them yourself" isn't really very important, don't you agree? And people WILL focus on it if someone feels it's important, like I did now. But after that they will usually ignore it.

  • Bob Canner

    There are two keys to long term residual income in this industry; the concept of "no new money," and finding a noncontroversial company with at least a five year track record of success.

    If your income is based on thousands of associates making a monthly decision to fund their autoship, or to continue paying website or marketing fees,

    your income will seriously deteriorate over time, and you will have had a sales job, and not built true residual income for your family.

    Here is a nine year old company, new in the USA, with no autoship, and no monthly fees of any type.

    Infoline (Edited By Troy).

    Don't waste years of your career walking up the wrong mountain.

    • Chris Bailey

      Hey, I think this is Plan B spam :)

    • Troy Dooly

      @Bob,

      I edited your comment removing the phone number for two reasons.

      1. It is unprofessional to promote your business in the middle of a topic specific comment thread.

      2. I allow folks to use a live link in their address, so you or anyone can write a valid comment adding value and folks will see your link.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • Robet

    Troy, Could you pass along to our incredible dignitaries that we would love to hear some current updates on the status of ZR… It is always great to hear from Dawn and Paul on a regular basis… My incredible down-line has conveyed to me how much we all need to hear from them on ZR news… Hope you can get this message to Dawn… Thanks, Rob

    • Troy Dooly

      @Robert,

      YES!!!!! And I agree :)

      • Robet

        Thanks

  • Scott

    Hi Troy,

    You mentioned that the NC AG will probably slap RVG with a fine of some sort. My question is: If Zeek Rewards was compliant with the laws then why would they be fined? What made you say that they will probably be fined? Is there an area where you think they may not be compliant? Isn't their legal team the ones making sure they are already compliant…just a thought…

    Thanks, and Love watching all your Vids!

    God Bless!!

    • Troy Dooly

      @Scott,

      Great question, and here is the answer… AG's are elected to handle all issues that are brought to their offices. And just like corporate attorneys are paid to give their opinions on a companies business models, the AG will levee a fine based on what they fine or in some cases just for the time it takes to investigate the company.

      As I have said from day one, there are red flags with Zeek Rewards, and although most have been cleaned up months ago, there are still a couple which the AG will review. Plus, he will look at a few other issues and make demands or suggestions for RVG to fix. Here are a few examples:

      1. Communication
      2. Steady payment to affiliates and winners alike.
      3. They will review and make demands on changing specific wording which seems to cause many affiliates and prospects to believe they are investing is some form of financial security.

      And for the time the AG takes in this situation he will fine the company accordingly.

      Now as for the legal team. Well look at it this way… President Bush had a legal team which told him "waterboarding is legal." But President Obama has a legal team that tells his "waterboarding is illegal". Same type of situation works outside of politics also.

      • Scott

        Thnx Troy! Appreciate your step by step and complete answer!

  • Zeekinsidedoubter

    Troy:

    Thanks for keeping us informed of the self-inflicted gunshot wound that Zeek did to itself by incompetent management. (And sadly keeps doing.)

    There are many pivot points upon which any corporation can be brought down. In Zeek's case lousy to non-existent customer support might be the one to cost them a hefty fine and cut their growth-rate parabola due to negative publicity. It might snowball and cause them to shut their doors, hastily retreating Zeek management with their tails between their legs, as a multitude of trial attorneys bark at their ankles while they slide back into the obscurity from whence they came.

    The Zeek support website moderators are quick to, sometimes threateningly suggest that affiliates not post too many trouble tickets in the back office as it would overload the already overburdened staff. It seems the back-office support staff answer few if any of them anyway so what gives? This is what got the whole ball rolling in the first place.

    Troy, I must take you to task for one of your statements. To suggest that Zeek being investigated by the NC AG " . . . the best thing to happen to the affiliates of Zeek Rewards so once and for all they can get some of the questions answered." is in my mind, tantamount to hearing the hammer of a revolver pointed in your direction being pulled back and thinking the person about to pull the trigger will tell you ahead of time how to avoid the soon-to-follow bullet.

    Anytime anyone comes to the attention of any government entity, be it city, state, or federal there is always a potential for disaster. It is never a good idea to come to the attention of anyone like this. One thing can, and usually does lead to another, and another . . .

    Yes, we might get our questions answered but at the expense of immense negative press, not to mention triggering subsequent investigations by AGs of other states, considering this is a distributed business with affiliates all over the place.

    I read Greg Caldwell's note to you and was perplexed, to say the least, about some of his comments, but two most stood out indicating how clueless he really is.

    He stated: "We believe all “complaints” regardless of their source, as important and we respond to all of them with a policy of complete satisfaction." Well, Mr. Caldwell, if you realize "all complaints" are important why has neither you nor your predecessors ever been able to get a handle on your current customer complaints to PREVENT them from being escalated in the first place?

    It seems you provide complete satisfaction ONLY when a regulatory entity comes snooping around, and then only grudgingly, yet you attach little importance, if any to your affiliates constant, and I hasten to add justifiable complaints in the customer support areas of your business. (and software areas too.)

    At your fingertips you have always had a simple solution: answer, and fix trouble tickets in a timely fashion. After all, your back office states: "It is our goal to answer all tickets submitted within 2 business days. No hassles with email!" How about 60 days and no response, or better yet trouble tickets magically being closed with no communication with your "dear" affiliates. Even an email notification that you had to close a trouble ticket would be nice (and courteous,) and not a "hassle" at all.

    Troy, Mr. Caldwell's other quote has me livid: "It is a necessary cost of doing business these days and assists us in remaining compliant and on top of any issues."

    To that statement my BS detector was set off three times:

    First it is not “ . . . a necessary cost . . .” it is a responsibility, responding to governmental inquiries. You likely would not have had to respond if you had functioning trouble resolution systems in place, functioning software, and better communications.

    Secondly, it is never acceptable to come to the attention of any regulatory entity "these days" nor ever, never! Check with your legal counsel and see what they say about this. Your company triggered this investigation for reasons listed in the preceding paragraph. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

    Thirdly, and this is where the "clueless" term really is appropriate, you should not have to rely upon the AG to help your independent business to remain compliant. You have legal counsel for that. You do your job keeping ALL the software systems functioning, the legal department does their job keeping the business legal and things run smoothly, and you stay out of governmental cross hairs. Everyone is happy.

    Let me sum it up in saying this: every rapidly growing company such as Zeek is bound to have growing pains. It is the they way Zeek management failed to respond that caused the majority of AG inquiries and is currently causing ill will and heartburn among Zeek affiliates worldwide.

    Cut the crap Zeek management. Step up to the Zeek News podium, cut the "Fine Friends" BS and formally state the issues you are having and set a reasonable time frame for their resolution. Own up to your managerial gaffes or leave Zeek and move on to another business that won't challenge you so much.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Zeek Inside Doubter,

      You provide some interesting thoughts on this issue. It also bring up some new questions.

      1. With all the frustrating CS issues, which truly seem to be massive from the internet conversation and what I have heard coming from folks in the support community. Why has this issue not slowed own growth yet do you feel?

      2. Why do you feel trail attorneys would get involved, and what would they focus in on?

      3. I have been presented with documentation that does show up to 3000 trouble tickets open at any given time, and in many cases one affiliate will open new tickets several times a day on the same issue. I can see where this can bog down the system because each ticket must be reviewed. But I do not believe anyone should be threaten for trying to get answers to their troubles. Do you have any ideas on how this specific situation might be handled differently?

      4. You have a point about regulators getting involved and potential disaster can take place. Which would mean that somewhere down the road it would more than likely happened anyway. But when looking through historical facts, we also see how some of the most successful companies caught the eyes of the regulators due to their competitors or even their own weaknesses, and by the time the investigation and in several cases the legal war was over, the company had doubled its size through the situation, and their business model was validated by the time the regulators done, or the companies had won the legal battle.

      I am a firm believer, that anytime there is controversy surrounding a company, and the issues of the controversy have merit, that the best thing to take place is a solid investigation to prove the business model is viable. Show and fix the issues, and/or shut it down if there are proven facts that the business will not sustain itself, and the company founders can't show where they have anticipated and built in qualifiers to maintain the sustainability of the compensation structure.

      Although, I can fully understand your viewpoint and believe it is very valid. I just feel that is a business is like a horse with a broken leg, then go ahead and shoot it, and put it out of its misery. There is nothing worse than a company plodding along, making promises of longevity, when it just won't work.

      I believe RVG will survive, but I do believe changes will be demanded by the AG, and those changes will drive off a certain type of Zeek Rewards affiliate, and may draw a new type of affiliate to the team.

      5. I see your point on what Greg wrote, bu you are changing the context of what he said to support your point on CS issues. Greg's statement actually supports your frustration and valid point on the CS issues. He did not state at any time they are not working on or handling the CS issues each and every one. So to make it look as if Caldwell is talking ONLY about regulatory issues, is not in my opinion, even close to what he was stating or the facts as I know them personally.

      6. I am not sure why you became livid with Greg's statement. Even Rod Cook the MLM Watchdog and Dr. Keith Laggos have alluded to the same thing. Dr. Keith stated on his call (my wording) that regulators extort money from companies they investigate. And Rod this weekend stated "NORTH CAROLINA AG VIOLATES MLM WATCHDOG RULE – THAT AG’S DON’T TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL THEY HAVE 20 VALID WRITTEN COMPLAINTS!"

      So, it seems to be since Greg Caldwell is an expert professional troubleshooter that he realizes this is "a cost of doing business, any business, not just MLM. Just this weekend Google was fined $22 million by the FTC after tacking what you and I are doing on the net. Forget the fact most folks share way to much personal info anyway. I bet based on the amount of money Google makes each and every day, they also feel this is a "cost of doing business."

      Although, you are correct it is a responsibility of the regulatory agency to investigate. The question we might ask, who benefits more in a public investigation, the company or the elected politician who is running the regulatory agency? From each investigation which goes viral, this question is the one asked. From Microsoft being sued by the U.S. DOJ, to RVG being investigated by the NC DOJ. What you and I see as a regulatory responsibility, will and is seen by others as a cost of doing business. Both sides have valid points of contention.

      And, I will respectfully disagree with you on your statement " it is never acceptable to come to the attention of any regulatory entity “these days” nor ever, never!" It should always be ACCEPTABLE, because if the business is built on a core set of values, and a Mission Statement of always doing the best for their affiliates or customers, they will welcome any regulator because they fully know they are doing it right.

      When a company has been called to task, and investigated by any regulatory agency and are found to be in good standing, or are sanctioned for compliance issues, I find it a fantastic move to prove the vitality of the propaganda from the company, show criminal intent behind the launching of the company, or to show weaknesses that when not corrected could bring the company down when least expected.

      Your third point is also valid. However, let's use an apples to orange comparison, that may prove your third statement is not as valid as it seems on the surface.

      During the Bush administration the US DOJ determined that Waterboarding was a legal method of interrogation when gathering information from terrorists. The same US DOJ, under the Obama Administration, has determined that Waterboarding is an illegal method of interrogation when gathering information from terrorists.

      Now back to RVG, you can hire the best legal team in the business (and they have) and that legal team based on tier interpretation of the current laws, can provide you with a valid opinion as they see it. Yet, that does not mean, a just as valid legal opinion doesn't also exist which is 180 degrees diabolical opposes the legal opinion provided by the RVG legal team.

      Your closing statement is very valid and one we all can agree on in principle. When any company is confronted with issues, they best move in my book (and I teach my clients) is to face the issues, and provide constant and never ending communication.

      Thank you so much for adding such great value to this situation.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • rami

        @Troy,

        what Zeekinsidedoubter was say (i think) is, we as an affiliates need to look at similar cases in the past that ends just when the US government start to check it out.

        you can take Ad Surf Daily for example.

        the business was legit (as far as i know) and when the US start snooping around, the company shoted down and all the money returned to distributors.

        now, there is some differences between ZR and ASD but the mechanism is the same.

        i have links here that show the similarity of the compensation plans:

        http://behindmlm.com/companies/surf-daily-ads-rev

        http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/scam-st

        rami

        • Troy Dooly

          @Rami,

          What you state makes sense to me. One clarification… The auto surf niche had already been hit several times and each company that got nailed Andy seemed to have been a part of. And in the case of ASD, instead of the State of Florida filing anything, the U.S. Treasury sent a team from Washington.

          Now although there have been some penny auctions to be shut down from running illegal operations, that has never been even a concern with Zeekler. Maybe because they have never run enough auctions to make it a concern.

          And I brought up the comparisons back in Dec 2011, and mentioned the red flags.

          Thank you for adding value here.

          Living An Epic Adventure,
          Troy

          • rami

            @Troy,

            Thank you for your kind answer!

            One thing, can you forward me to the page you mentioned with the red flags?

          • Troy Dooly

            @Rami,

            Go to the search page and type in Zeek Rewards. It will be the Dec 2011 Editorial.

          • Morten

            AutoSurfDaily wasn't in the "autosurf niche", it was in the Ponzi scheme niche. There's no need to separate Ponzi schemes into different "niches", they can all be placed in the same main niche.

            It's similar with pyramid schemes. You don't have to specify "ebook niche" if a pyramid scheme offers 4 ebooks as a part of the deal, or specify "advertisement niche" if they offer some text ads in a scroller / rotator.

            Whether Zeek is in the "unique auction niche" or not is currently unclear. There main focus seems to be directed towards recruiting affiliates. That's where the growth has happened most of the time.

    • Sherry

      @Zeekinsidedoubter,

      As a 'friend' of the person who helped bring this story to light, via passing along details of his/her discussions with the NC AG to Oz, some of which were described in his article on the investigation, let me assure you… the issues brought to the AG's attention (and to other governmental authorities) are far more serious than mere customer service or other petty back office functionality issues.

      • Julie

        Where can we find this article on the investigation?

  • Michael Soud

    Troy,

    For what it's worth I want to add my experience in growing companies. I am the CEO of a growing non-profit that is highly regulated by the State and Feds which is heading into its 3rd year of operation.

    1) Sitting on the outside and calling a company's management "incompetent" or "clueless" with no inside knowledge reveals inexperience. I don't mean this to be an insult to anyone. You can not appreciate the challenges of management unless you have been there yourself or unless you have inside knowledge.

    2) Regarding government regulations you hit the nail on the head. Not only do the laws change without notice but interpretations can differ depending on the State representative with whom you are speaking. Laws and regulations are not as black and white as some believe. That's just the reality.

    3) When a company is growing rapidly there are all sorts of challenges including hiring qualified personnel which takes time, establishing income projections and establishing priorities, customer support issues and so on. The other reality is that rapid growth if not dealt with properly can actually sink a company. My advice is give Zeek some time.

    You stated, "changes will be demanded by the AG, and those changes will drive off a certain type of Zeek Rewards affiliate, and may draw a new type of affiliate to the team." I believe this to be a good thing. Hopefully it will bring in more experienced affiliates who understand the realities of operating a business, whether it be home-based or otherwise. I believe with its compliance program Zeek is trying to not only educate but upgrade it's level of affiliates.

    My comments are merely to add perspective. I too believe this investigation is a good thing. To other Zeek affiliates, let it play out. I'm confident that a year from now the Zeek we know today will be quite different.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Michael,

      Thank you sir for such great insight!!!

  • Kevin

    "Own up to your managerial gaffes or leave Zeek and move on to another business that won’t challenge you so much."

    Great statement.

    It's actually really devastating as an affiliate when I read all this crap(stuff), and yet it's been over 5 days since ZR's last public update on their site (probably throwing documents together for their much deserved investigation).

    I also see an issue where there's thousands upon thousands of affiliates trying to get their questions answered on their conference calls whether it pertains to: CR, Payments, Technical issues, etc..

    Where ZR claims: "We're holding these calls to answer your questions."

    But when it comes down to it, the call itself is a joke. (not to mention they fill up so quickly so thousands more can't get on)

    Usually Greg, or Dawn, or whoever else hosts it talk about things as obvious as daylight. ..or Dawn will spend 10 minutes out of a 24min call talking about how much she likes Apple Products INSTEAD of addressing the known issues that almost EVERY affiliate on the line is dealing with (which ZR most certainly is aware of).

    To me this type of negligence is a giant red flag.

    Do they think we're stupid?

    ..Apparently so if they keep side stepping the real issues at hand (THAT WE CAN ALL SEE)

    ..and instead trying to entice us with a bigger carrot to chase (ZeeBates,blue light special, etc..),

    At this point the ineptitude of the management team is succumbing to the negative claims on sites like 'behindmlm'.

    ..and due to the fact that they've made no effort to rectify ANYTHING being mentioned by their affiliates it just makes all these negative comments seem more.. ..and more true with each passing day.

    I.e.

    If I or anyone said something negative about You Troy surely even if it wasn't true, you would at least say..

    "That's not true, and here's a link to prove it."

    (maybe not verbatim, and in a timely manner)

    ..but at this point, what is ZR doing to update their affiliates (rhetorical)?

    We all know the answer..

    N O T H I N G.

    ..Ironically enough with ZR's "Compounder" Compensation (through the RPP) you would suspect they understood the nature of things that "COMPOUND"

    ..Things like..

    ..Horrible customer service

    ..Chat boxes that don't work

    ..Missed, delayed, and "skipped" payments

    ..Technical issues

    ..Communication

    ..etc.

    The real question is:

    If ZR comes crashing down, how can we get our $$ back?

    Living the most epic of adventures,

    Kevin

    • Troy Dooly

      @kevin,

      Thank you for taking time to add to this conversation. I do have one quick question.

      What money are you referring?

      Not trying to be argumentative, trying to figure out something myself.

      If the affiliates are buying bids, and are giving those bids away, or ae rusing them personally, then even if the AG were to tell the company "NO Comp Plan", but allows them to run the penny auction, I am not sure any money would be owing to the affiliates.

      I do think the AG would demand all current earned commissions paid, but I do not think that would include any RPP payout.

      Your answer may help me to better understand.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

      • Kevin

        I assume you're asking in response to my:

        "If ZR comes crashing down, how can we get our $$ back?"

        I'm referring to the original "investment" into the business (I know there's no "investment" but lets go w/o the semantics right now)

        Also, I just noticed Zeek has an update on their site which seems to be falling right into place with what my concerns were.

        http://www.zeekrewardsnews.com

        "Hello Fine People:

        The team wanted to let you know there won’t be any training, recruitment or leadership calls for the next few days while planning is going on. Standby for some important announcements. Thank you for your patience!”

        "

        ..Planning for what?

        An exit strategy?

        ..The Investigation (they've not disclosed to their affiliates)

        They continue to keep us in the dark, and I see this inevitably being their downfall.

        Even if ZR IS a legit company as stated in the compliance test: "it only takes a few affiliates saying the wrong things to bring down a MLM company"

        Well, when you have 1,000's of affiliates who are frustrated, scared, and becoming more furious..then well, looks like they're bringing it upon themselves.

        -Kevin

        • Troy Dooly

          @Kevin,

          Your subscription fees and any additional bid purchases might still be used at Zeekler, if the AG were to allow the penny auction to continue running without a compensated marketing arm.

          And, in most cases the AG will allow the final payout of earned income, unless they deem it a pyramid or ponzi, then they might set aside a specific amount or pull a specific amount from future earning to be paid back to some folks. In most cases, it would only be folks who were still within their first 90-days where they could not convert points to "cash available."

          As for ZR News, that is not out of the norm when an investigation is going on. But they are planning for the Red Carpet Day next week, The convention in November, and the launch of Zee Bates at the Red Carpet Day Event.

          I do fully understand your anger and you make some valid points.

          You are right a few affiliates can cause issues… Unless the company can prove they are actively terminating affiliates for compliance issues. When that can be proved, then the AGs will look and in some cases take aggressive actions against the affiliates and not the company.

          All solid points Kevin!

        • Julie

          You will never get your original investment back as it was a purchase of sample bids…not an investment. This is clearly stated everywhere and always talked about in compliance. You can't say that on this ZR has not been completely clear. You earn off the point you earn for your purchase and you earn off these points for placing your ads each day.

  • steve

    Troy, Any insight into zeek stopping conference calls. There hasnt been any communication except that they arent going to communicate. Any idea whats happening? I believe it also said they were going to have announcements. Could you please comment. thanks

    • Troy Dooly

      @Steve,

      I know that some of the marketing team were traveling this week, and of course the Exec team is working at providing info to the AG.

      But when I get some answers myself, I will let folks know.

      • Julie

        This is something that we all want to hear about. IN light of all the chatter and concern it is stirring up it was not a good move to cancel all the calls this week (Mon-Wed). Not a very smart move if they want to keep affiliates calm. The timing of this poor communication is not good.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Julie,

          I can see your point.

  • Knoble

    Troy,

    Are you saying that one possible outcome of the AG civil investigation is that they can order no compensation plan and that we would not be able to covert are bids. Meaning for example if one of the "Superstar Penny King" affiliates who has 400,000+ in VIP bids that is earning 1.4% a day would never be able to take commissions and would instead be stuck with 400,000 VIP bids because he kept his profit sharing pool on 100% repurchase and never converted it to commissions? Of course that would also apply to the starting affiliate who may have purchased 1000 VIP bids would be stuck with 1000 VIP bids never being able to convert them to commissions and we would have no warning about this coming except for knowing that a civil investigation is starting? Is that what you are saying?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Knoble,

      Sure it could be an outcome, not sure how probable it might be.

      As for your bids. Your bids would still be usable inside the Zeekler penny auctions, which is what they were bought for in the first place. Just instead of giving hem away as samples, you would use them personally.

      As for the rest of your comment, I think you used bids, where you wanted to use the work "points". And if you read the P&Ps, you should see…

      1. The compensation plan can be changed at anytime by RVG.

      Also, there is nowhere that I see mentioned by RGV a 1.4% anything. Daily RVG decided if and how much revenue up to 50% of the net they want to share.

      I would say that there is a good probability that the RPP will be changed or eliminated. The odds are pretty good it will be tweaked to make it clear to the world how the bonus works. And I could see the AG deciding to make it mostly or all verifiable volume outside the compensation structure. Which is where RVG was moving anyway.

      But again, there was never a guarantee the points would continue to be converted to "cash available:. And as for a warning… Well there is a whole other side of this debate, that will tell you they have been warning of this type of situations for months.

  • Rnelson

    I really appreciate your proffesiomalism Troy and what you are providing to us all.

    I really do hate to agree with Kevin on this one. You see, I have been truly excited about the Zeek opportunity and brought in many affiliates to the tune of thousands and thousands of bids purchased and given away. I have sat and watched all of the complaints and issues of other affiliates going on and know it seems I am one myself.

    I was not paid the first real commission I requested(did a small one to see if ewallet worked) and know I realize there is most likely too many problems currently to make it past the AG.

    I also believe the reality is that they have received numerous complaints because as I sit here knowing I have done all that Zeekrewards has asked and waited two weeks and they couldn't even get it right to pay me on time, I could give a damn. I especially do not won't to be made a bigger fool by going through all of their so called CS steps to know I will most likely not get an answer.

    Your good Troy, so answer this one for me. Can you give me any evidence that they have tried to improve communication or CS(and please do not say anything about the answering service they contracted,it's a joke).

    • Troy Dooly

      @RNelson,

      Are you saying that Zeek did not pay or the eWallet did not pay? I have had a few folks tell me they are owed 7/23 commissions, then started getting checks in the mail. Can you explain a little better for me?

      I have mentioned on here that there are on average about 3000 tickets in the Que at any given time. Now, unless the company decides to add 300 plus more CS agents, I am not sure if they can get caught up. And I am not even sure the affiliates would want that to happen, since they would be a huge addition to the daily expenses which would drop the daily net revenue in a huge way.

      I know that the folks who send me their issues, we are getting to the top. And although it takes a week or two at times they seem to be getting handled.

      Well, I am not sure what proof would really work for you. If folks have had their issues handled, then they think everything is great. But for those who are not getting their issues handled, then nothing has changed.

      As for the communication side of things, there has not been any change. That could be due to the investigation. But when I talk with folks this week I will ask. And I will be meeting with them next week at Red Carpet Day and this will be a topic of discussion.

      • Rnelson

        You are the man! I realize in a lot of the situations the problems are on the ewallet end. In the end it doesn't really matter to the people who have not been paid and ultimately it is Zeek's responsibility.

        Do you think DOJ will split hairs or care who's fault is that affiliates aren't getting what they were told?

        One more question, you have mentioned a couple of times "rouge affiliates" and a "different kind of affiliate"', can you explain the two or what you feel the model affiliate looks like?

        • Troy Dooly

          @Rnelson,

          I do not think the AG will hold RVG responsible for the actions of another independent company. However, I do think they may demand the company find a US based solution to the problem, so ALL parties can then be held responsible.

          As for the rouge affiliates, these are those folks who jump from one HYIP/PONZI to another, hurting people along the way. When they join a real network marketing opportunity, they still market as they would a HYIP/PONZI even though they know it is illegal and out of compliance how they are marketing.

          As for the different kind of affiliates. I think true internet marketers may take a look at the program once the investigation is over, because they fully understand how to market on the internet and may see this as a great combination of internet and network marketing combined.

        • Rnelson

          I will say again at how impressed I am at your ability and concern to communicate with everyone that addresses you and I also realize that everyone's tone is not pleasant? I am grateful!

          Anyway you could convince Zeek to care as much?:)

  • alex

    Troy when you come back from the Red Carpet event can you please make a new video with all the info that you got from it for us ?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Alex,

      You bet I will

    • Sherry

      Ha! As if there's still even going to BE a red carpet event! lol!

      • Troy Dooly

        @Sherry,

        As of yesterday, yes there is still going to be a RCD. But the week is still young :)

  • Knoble

    Appreciate your honest answer Troy. I am actually very pro Zeek and was hoping you would tell me my "comment" was wrong. I will tell you from being someone that has had to pass various legal exams and living in a state where our Governor was a Attorney General who forced a much bigger Fannie and Freddie Mac to change they way they operate(not that I agree with everything he did, It was overkill and I think it actually slowed the recovery of the housing market but he did it despite fine print). That if they are having thousands of US Citizens purchase thousands of VIP bids expecting a ability to participate in a profit sharing pool they simply cannot change that without some form of compensation and expect to survive. It would be extremely arrogant to think they can but I doubt they would have hired the legal team they did and the recent executive hires if they were not planning to keep "growing and going".

    This is one of those situations where the old fashioned saying "do the right thing because its the right thing to do" will determine their future. I'm really hoping they get good council and they listen.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Knoble,

      Let me clarify one thing. Profit Pools are perfectly fine in any network marketing compensation plan. However, how those profit pools are funded, and marketed is the question. And I think that is what the AG will focus in on and help the company improve, or eliminate due to way to much confusion.

      I agree with you in your overall context.

      • anonymous watcher

        "However, how those profit pools are funded, and marketed is the question."

        This has been THE question for months. Where does the money come from????

        I have been following these Zeek threads/posts for awhile here and on behindmlm.

        One thing I must comment on though is how fascinating it is to watch you (Troy) re-position your stance on Zeek. Before it was full-on "nothing to worry about" with them. Now you are speaking with more cautious undertones and saying how there are most likely going to be some issues found by the AG and will require some changes.

        I can pull together a timeline of quotes, links, and a correlate them to events like the credit union and the AG.

        • Troy Dooly

          @anonymous watcher,

          ROFLOL… Any good advocate will watch the situation and will do their best to maintain a balance in their reporting. I am either nailed for "overly supporting ZR" or I am called out for "re-positioning" my stance.

          My responsibility is first and foremost to the network marketing community, which is made up of millions of distributors doing their best to make a par-time living. My next responsibility goes to those who may be looking to join a company and needing information.

          So, as with any company, we report based on the facts and my opinion based on historical data we pull from similar situations.

          Each day as I watch the situation with Zeek I have to report based on current facts.

          Respectfully, I have NOT re-positioned my stance period. I still feel Penny Auctions are a viable business model, which will be regulated. I also feel the Zeek Rewards is a viable network marketing company, that had already listened to the legal and consulting team, but moved slower than their consultants would have liked in making the tweaks needed to eliminate the questions on the RPP by funding it with viable customer revenue by adding the qualifiers.

          I have said from day one there are red flags, and that the way affiliates marketed the RPP was an issue. I have said it privately, and publicly. So feel free to pull together anything you would like, just make sure you are willing to watch every video, read what I have written (including every comment), and put into context, each of the outside situations taking place, and exactly what I was responding or who I was responding.

          So, re-positioning… NO, reporting based on current facts and issues Yep!

          Living An Epic Adventure,
          Troy

          • anonymous watcher

            Hey again, sorry you feel that way, but it comes with the territory =)

            This is still an open question on every website, which could ZR execs answer it, would most likely end the debate.

            Where does the money come from to fund the affiliates? Does any money funding affiliates come from other affiliates, and if so, how much of a % of revenue from affiliates funds other affiliates?

            At any rate, it should be an interesting red carpet event; who shows up and who doesn't, what can be talked about and what is ignored, and any awkward and uncomfortable situations for execs / others who would probably rather not say a word about anything business related.

            Also, for your sake don't let this happen to you:
            http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/05/26/online-po

          • Troy Dooly

            @anonymous Watcher,

            Not sure what you are referring with "sorry you feel that way".

            I disagree that answering the question will end the debate. It has been a debate that has been going on since 1979, and even after Amway answered it, the debate continues.

            What would end the debate is the DSA, Congress, or the States would once and for all create legislation that would clarify just how much volume (or customers) is expected above and beyond the volume coming through the compensation structure to keep companies legal and inside compliance.

            Until that happens, then we have at least 50 different opinions, not counting the different federal regulators.

            ROFLOL… Great post from Patrick, but totally irreverent to what I do, or have said publicly or privately, to affiliates, corporate, prospects, and reporters, 3rd party venders and most of all… regulators :)

            Living An Epic Adventure,
            Troy

  • rami

    @Troy,

    see the new update from zeekrewardsnews:

    "Hello Fine People:

    The team wanted to let you know there won’t be any training, recruitment or leadership calls for the next few days while planning is going on. Standby for some important announcements. Thank you for your patience!"

    very strange..

    • Troy Dooly

      @Rami,

      I can see how that can be seen as strange. However, there are also many things going on at once.

      1. The marketing team traveling to Lexington to finish plans for next weeks Red Carpet Day

      2. DD still down with major health issues

      3. The launch of the Zee Bates site is also scheduled for next week

      4. During investigations, regulators do sometimes tell companies to hold off an public conversations since changes could be coming. Kind of hard to hold training calls if changes are taking place. Folks do have to plan the new training calls.

      All in all, if a person want to look at this as one more production for doom then they will. And I am sure the other side will just see it as a the team in planning meetings.

      I figure in the next few weeks or months we will know.

      • rami tawil

        @Troy,

        About the time- i dont care to wait and see, but this kind of investigation need to take few months?

      • Chris Bailey

        One word of caution Troy.

        Don't use anybody's health issues as an excuse for poor communication/performance unless you want critics to love you for providing another classic ponzi excuse. :)

        Several months back one ponzi operator cited a bout of Dengue fever as a reason for issues.

        Given everything that's gone down over the last few weeks, don't you think it would have been wise for them to be a bit more specific?

        • Troy Dooly

          @Chris,

          Not sure why you feel I would use anyone's health issues as an excuse for poor communication.

          The reference to DD and his health, is because ZR affiliates have brought that up… asking why he had not been on the calls. DD has been the face of ZR when it comes to training for years. Since he is in Calf., and is still having health issues, it is valid to bring up the fact, he still can't do his calls. And if you read the comment, he is the ONLY one I called out specifically because I know his inability to NOT be on a call is NOT an excuse but a true valid reason. Outside of DD, I am in full agreement with you!!!

          But, your point is very valid :)

          • Chris Bailey

            It was a bit of a knee-jerk tongue in cheek statement.

            Definitely wasn't doubting the legitimacy.

            Bad health sucks. Hope he recovers.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Chris :) understand bro!

  • steve

    Troy, Are you saying they will get rid of the rpp leaving us with points/bids. Obviously everyone is in this to make money and build a business but if this is the case it looks like all of our efforts have been for nothing. Could you please go into more depth of what you think is the scenerio that will play out from what you have been hearing from the brass at Zeek.

    • Troy Dooly

      Steve,

      Great question!

      I would say if we are all objective, no matter what side of the Zeek Rewards debate we stand, that the main issue of the debate is the RPP. Is it an investment component attached to a hybrid network marketing compensation plan, or is it a misunderstood unique profit sharing pool?

      Based on the fact the AG has made it clear, many of the folks who have contacted them referred to Zeek Rewards as some form of an investment vehicle, I truly feel this will be part of the main focus of the investigation.

      So, I think several different things might come from the AG's investigation where it surrounds the comp plan.

      1. The AG will review the math to determine if the RPP is sustainable and if it is truly a unique profit pool, or truly a investment component attached to the comp plan. If it is found to be an investment component, the AG will eliminate it, or change it.

      2. The AG will review the marketing to determine if there are issues, which are causing folks to see this as an investment. If they do, then they will have the company strengthen the marketing to make it clear this is NOT an investment, and they will demand the company terminate ANY distributor promoting it illegally.

      3. The AG will determine the changes RVG already has on the book, to make the RPP easier to understand and market.

      4. If the AG determines the RPP is an investment vehicle, and RVG can't show where they have already implemented plans to fund it with sales revenue outside of the compensation structure, and how they have already changed the marketing to make sure it is truly a profit sharing pool, and not an investment. Then the AG will demand it be eliminated.

      In my opinion, I do feel that at the very least there will be changes made to the RPP in one form or another.

  • Chris Bailey

    Quick question Troy.

    How many other MLM's that you are aware of charge reps to take a compliance course?

    • Troy Dooly

      Chris,

      This concept started last year in the energy sector when several of the energy MLMs received tens of thousands of dollars in fines from state energy commissions. I would say today, that most of the higher risk sectors are charging in one form or another for a compliance course. Connectivity, including the two biggest MLM penny auctions, Zeek and BidiFy around 10 to 12 companies.

      It has not yet become a standard across the profession, but at least two companies are now offering compliance courses. In most cases I have run across the fee is being built into the sign up process or as an added education requirement before a distributor can start recruiting or talking to customers.

      • confused

        Troy, did you miss Steve's question? I'm also interested in your take on this…

        steve

        August 14, 2012 at 8:08 am #

        Troy, Are you saying they will get rid of the rpp leaving us with points/bids. Obviously everyone is in this to make money and build a business but if this is the case it looks like all of our efforts have been for nothing. Could you please go into more depth of what you think is the scenerio that will play out from what you have been hearing from the brass at Zeek.

        • confused

          I also have to add to that question of Steve's…it is quite depressing to imagine they may get rid of the RPP. It's the only reason I got into the company as I saw its potential. It's great thing to have and I've actually contacted my prospects who were about to sign up this week and told them to hold off for about 2 weeks until we find out what is going on. Will the AG investigation be completed by then as well?

        • Troy Dooly

          @Confused,

          I am not sure if I missed it. I thought I answered if but if not here goes.

          I am saying that as a worse case scenario the AG could decide to have RVG cut the whole compensation plan in order to stay open. This is a worse case scenario. I do believe there will be some form of changes to the RPP. However, since RVG has already been moving toward a change in the RPP, if those changes are solid enough, then the AG may accept them.

          • confused

            sorry about that Troy. The response wasn't showing on my side until later. One last thing. Earlier you posted something that made it seem like the AG would be finished by the red carpet day….you may not have meant to, but that's what it sounded like. Do you believe the major changes to the company will be happening in the next two weeks? I'm just curious to see how the business model changes before my prospects who are wanting to sign up, actually do.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Confused,

            If I made it sound as if the AG might be done by next week, then please forgive me. I do not in any way think the AG can complete an investigation that fast.

            I do believe there is a possibility the AG could have some of the investigation done based on information provide by RVG.

  • Shirley Crawford

    Troy

    Given the current situation and the investigation that is in progress, do you think that it would be wise if we as affiliates hold of on building our businesses.

    If we explain the company as it is designed today and there are changes coming, possible elimination of the RPP or compensation plan, wouldn't we be doing a major disservice to anyone we present this to, if here very shortly everything changes?

    I love this company and what it is doing to help so many people financially, and personally I for one have made sure that I have done my due dilligence and learned this business inside and out and made sure that I knew what I needed to know to be compliant.

    I have trained and worked hard with my team to make sure they understand the business model and present it properly. I cannot tell you how many hours I've spent teaching and answering questions and if I didn't know the answers, finding someone who did.

    It's really sad to see all of this happening to a company that I feel has so much potential if only everyone could come together and work together for it's success.

    The commissions are late again, phones are ringing off the hook from my team wondering what is going on. This is frustrating, sad and discouraging all at the same time.

    In my 14 months of being a part of Zeek Rewards, I have always defended and worked hard to put out fires. I just do not understand why a simple communication on Zeekrewards news stating "sorry fine people, commissions will be late again this week" Something, anything would help us out who have built our business with teams that come to us for answers and we have NONE.

    Is it possible to check on the status of this weeks commissions so that we can have something to take back to our teams and give them some sort of time frame when they can expect to be paid?

    I know one should never put all their eggs in one basket, however some of us who are 100% devoted to the success of Zeek Rewards and don't have a plan b, because we fully believe in what we have here, rely on those weekly commission payments being paid on time as promised.

    Shirley Crawford

    • Troy Dooly

      @Shirley,

      This is a great question and here are my thoughts on this.

      1. With the silence from Zeek Rewards through their official website Zeek Rewards News, if I were an affiliate at any level, I would be cautious at promoting the business, because I would not know what it is I am really promoting at this time.

      Although, I am not overly concerned with the silence, as this happens at times during the early stages of some investigations, knowing the controversy and the complexity of the compensation plan, I feel it would be wise to hold off until all of us are sure exactly what changes might be demanded from the AG or will be introduced next week at the Red Carpet Day Event.

      2. Commissions being late is not something to be overly concerned with this week. At times during an investigate, regulators will ask the company to hold commissions, while they are determining which, if any parts of the compensation plan, might be deemed out of compliance. The AG will ask for additional information or documented on how each part works separately and within the full complexity of the compensation algorithms. The AG may even decide to have their own actuarial expert review the math to determine if it is sustainable.

      3. I will be talking with some of the Executive staff this week and will keep everyone posted. I am also planning on being in Lexington next week for deeper meetings at the Red Carpet Day.

      Living An Epic Adventure,
      Troy

  • Tom

    Sad, but Laggos — as unethical and underhanded as he has shown himself to be — was perhaps right. At this point, I'm very discouraged. Per Shirley's comments above, I have not actively recruited for Zeek for about 3 months due to the concerns she enumerates — uncertainty being the biggest factor. Troy, could a quick phone call on your part to Lexington at least inform us as to why the communications shutdown? It seems ominous since a shutdown based on "good news" like "we're ramping up to take Zeekler to stratospheric new levels" would be a no-brainer communique. It just appears evident that the black clouds are indeed gathering now…. Your thoughts?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Tom,

      Already working on getting answers, and have been promised "on the record" conversation this week.

      • Tom

        Sweet!!! Thanks so much, Troy.

  • Emanuel

    Troy,

    I've met you in person recently and believe that you're a straight-shooter. That being said, in a quote of yours above, referring to bids,…

    "As for your bids. Your bids would still be usable inside the Zeekler penny auctions, which is what they were bought for in the first place. Just instead of giving hem away as samples, you would use them personally. "

    In my opinion, this is an unrealistic, unfavorable scenario that is out of line with how the company has marketed and positioned ZR.

    All along, the company has called this an income opportunity, and has advertised the daily cash rewards as the reason to join ZR.

    This said, I am happy to be a part of this company and optimistic about the AG investigation. I want to see this continue and improve as it has. What are your (nitty gritty) thoughts?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Emanuel,

      Understand, that in my statement, I am not referring to what ZR would do on their own accord. I am talking about a worse case scenario that could be forced upon them by an AG.

      Paul Burks would never do anything like this on his own, because it will go against his principles on creating a system where the average affiliate can earn some part-time income.

      When reporting and providing insight it is my responsibility to provide facts and opinions based on all scenarios not just the best case. :)

  • jim

    Troy, I'm not sure this is appropriate, but do you see these concerns to be problems for the other penny auction site just out of the gate being that it is off shore with a few differences. if it is inappropriate to commit here could you refer me to a different conversation stream that I could ask that question?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Jim,

      I would say that any other MLM Penny Auction who has copied Zeek's compensation plan (Bids That Give) will face the same issues.

      I also think all the penny auctions could be investigated in their home states after the Zeek investigation is final.

  • Steve

    Posted on ZeekRewards News

    As some were aware, there was a technical outage with NxPay yesterday. Their development team worked diligently through the night and successfully restored the services.

    If any payment distributions were supposed to occur when the outage occurred, they would have been successfully processed throughout the night last night. The root cause of this issue has been addressed.

    (Thanks to NXPay for their hard work and explanation of the restoration.)

  • Ad

    hey troy i wanted to know you were saying that the rpp can be eliminated by the AG but don't you think zee bates can stop that from happening? And also i feel like a lot of affiliates are making a decent income from the rpp what other levels of income can we earn from like that?

    • Troy Dooly

      Ad,

      Yes, I do believe the plans already in play could be solid enough to please the AG. However, I am on the outside looking in, and have never had the opportunity to study the underlying algorithms, which is what the actuary team will review.

      I feel if the RPP is funded with some percentage of revenue outside of the compensation structure, then there is a chance the AG will agree to leaving it in tack, but will demand a very clear marketing definition and also that the company terminate on the spot any affiliate found promoting it illegally .

  • george in Georgia

    If the conpensation part of zeek is found not to be fully legal why was all the big guns( lawyers) that they boast about even hired? If they take away this part of it why would anyone want to be apart of it? I hope you can give some kind of educated guss that might bring back some joy into my life cause all my eggs were in this basket cause i did'nt have many to start with.

    Thank you sir, George

    • Troy Dooly

      @George,

      Fantastic question, let me see if I can help on this one.

      1. Dr. Keith Laggos has stated he is the craftsman of the most current ZR compensation plan. Now since I am not sure what that means exactly, I would say that he tweaked whatever was there, and then RVG turned it over to the legal minds to review.

      2. I can say that over the last few months that I have been reviewing Zeek Rewards, the two main law firms Grimes & Reese on compliance and Nerha and Waak for most of the MLM issues, and myself have all agreed that the RPP needs to be funded with some solid custom revues outside of the compensation structure. I also know that ZR has been working on this very issue, but beefing up the auctions and launching the Zee Bates site.

      So, it is not that folks have not talked about this, or that RVG has not been working on it. It just was not completed and launched before the AG started their investigation.

      Just because outside folks yell about an issue or legal minds are hired to make sure a company is complaint means all the work can get done as fast as needed. Which is why it is 100% best to launch fully complaint in the first place.

  • Kyle

    As of today, both Zeek Rewards and BIdify websites are apparently experiencing technical outages, as I can't access either of my affiliate accounts online. Bidify says that "We are doing some work to the systems & calculating commissions." Zeek is apparently fully accessible otherwise, but won't allow logging in to account

    • Troy Dooly

      @Kyle,

      Seems there is an issue with nxPay

    • http://jjsgangbidify.com Faith Sloan

      Every night at approx 6pm – 7pm EST, Bidify goes down and calculates the commissions. That takes about 15 minutes. Then they come back up.

      I recommended they separate their website executable scripts from their commission runs to avoid the need to take down the site.

      Nonetheless, they are new and have a lot of other things in the pipeline re: priority and low hanging fruit.

      So the downtime for both zeek and bidify was purely coincidental. Bidify goes down every single day like clockwork. :)

      Faith Sloan

      faithsloan. com

      jjsgangbidify. com

    • http://jjsgangbidify.com Faith Sloan

      Every night at approx 6pm – 7pm EST, Bidify goes down and calculates the commissions. That takes about 15 minutes. Then they come back up.

      I recommended they separate their website executable scripts from their commission runs to avoid the need to take down the site.

      Nonetheless, they are new and have a lot of other things in the pipeline re: priority and low hanging fruit.

      So the downtime for both zeek and bidify was purely coincidental. Bidify goes down every single day like clockwork. :)

      Faith Sloan

  • Eddie

    Hi Troy,

    I'm in the same boat with Shirley and totally understand how she feels.

    Yep, no pay this week so far for many. But I hardly doubt the AG's have already told Zeek to hold off on paying, because some affiliates were paid yesterday.

    I still say amidst all of Zeek's problems there is never an excuse not to pay your affiliates on time every time.

    Although I think it's great that folks send you emails when they don't get their payment or about other issues, but come on Troy, we shouldn't have to do that. Trust me, we are very grateful for all of your help concerning the affiliates, but Zeek knows who they haven't paid. And we want our money.

    I feel whatever issues Zeek have, whether it's for non payment of commission, poor cs, never ending IT issues, shoty e-wallet systems, and a host of other problems, should ALWAYS be addressed by the company. In fact, it's their duty. But we NEVER hear a thing. Only a few incoherent post here and there.

    Maybe that one guy did have 50 tickets in the system. But I'm SURE it was because he never got an answer. If they had any type of support at all, that would eliminate a lot of their problems in that area.

    I'm sorry Troy, but I think customer service is one of the most important functions in any company. You can't solve problems without it.

    I wish we could get half the customer service from Zeek that we get from you.

    Troy can you speak to Zeek about this week's pay and maybe about next weeks too. Can you also find out when will we start getting paid on time.

    Thanks for all you do!

    • Troy Dooly

      @Eddie,

      First of all here is the lastest from ZRN…
      "As some were aware, there was a technical outage with NxPay yesterday. Their development team worked diligently through the night and successfully restored the services.

      If any payment distributions were supposed to occur when the outage occurred, they would have been successfully processed throughout the night last night. The root cause of this issue has been addressed.

      (Thanks to NXPay for their hard work and explanation of the restoration.)"

      And I agree 100% Customer Service is king!!!

      • Mark

        Hi Troy. That news announcement stated that "If any payment distributions were supposed to occur when the outage occurred, they would have been successfully processed throughout the night last night. The root cause of this issue has been addressed." Meaning that all NxPay checks should have been cut that were due to run that night. Thing is, many, perhaps most, still haven't been paid.

        The reason is that Zeek takes up to 5 business days to pay through NxPay. I am not sure why that is the case as they have never explained it. But the mods on the support forum are saying give them 5 business days.

        It doesn't make sense to me for those 5 days when Nxpay says they can handle payments in seconds. But that's what we are being told on the support forum.

      • Eddie

        @Troy,

        I'm not sure I understand what the latest post on Zeeks news site has do do with anyone getting paid their commission.

        If it is related, I and many others did not get a payment distribution throughout the night last night. Many of Zeeks affiliates are still waiting to be paid.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Eddie,

          Yes, you and others are waiting. It seems that with the tech team working on updating the code, that the "api" for nxPay had an issue.

          At least that is the issue if I understand correctly. So by tomorrow, I would expect you and others to see your commissions in your accounts.

          Keep us posted.

  • george in Georgia

    Thank you so much for your responce and all your time i know you put into getting us straight honest answers.

    • Troy Dooly

      @George,

      Thank you sir. Sometimes it is tough, and all I have to go off of, is historical track record.

  • Mr. Wallace

    One word – Unsustainable.

    • Troy Dooly

      Mr. Wallace,

      What is unsustanable?

      • Mr. Wallace

        What is unsustanable? Zeek Rewards.

        • Troy Dooly

          @Mr. Wallace,

          Please explain? We love folks to add value in the community. Right now you are not adding very much, please add some validation to your comments so we can better understand where you are coming from.

          • Mr. Wallace

            Valadation ? How about common sense. Take a couple of top leaders and compound out there VIP points, which are well over 500,000 to 1,000,000, over a year or even six months. Eventually Zeek would be able to pay off the national debt. Like I said, unsustainable.

          • Troy Dooly

            @Mr. Wallace,

            There are several issues with your calculation.

            1. There is no guarantee of any compounding of points, and points are continually rolling out of the bonus pool.

            2. You did not add in the qualifiers of retail customers which are needed at each point level of 2,4,6,8. If an affiliate doesn't meet this qualification, then they would not be part of the RPP payout. If they are, then they reap the benefit of driving retail customer volume to the company just like all other network marketing company bonus pools.

            3. The RPP is funded with a net daily revenue. So when a daily net revenue is $0 due to paying bills, buying inventory, buying another network marketing company, etc. the pool would have no compounding as you call it. Seems like a built in balancing factor.

            But based on crap on the internet I can sure see where you came up with your deduction.

            Living An Epic Adventure,
            Troy

  • http://realscam.com GlimDropper

    Troy, there's a rumor circulating in the downlines and on the Zeek support forum that ZR has "outgrown" the current US bank it had been working with. A moderator on their forum confirmed it. Perhaps when you're at the red carpet event you could find out if ZR has an active relationship with any US banks.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Troy Dooly

      GlimDropper,

      I was talking to one of the bank contacts today, as they did not mention any current banking issues. And knowing at least one of the banks Zeek is now using, it would be impossible for them to out grow that bank, although as most big companies, they do have several banking relationships these days.

      I would find it interesting that a moderator would have that type of banking info. Do we have any screen shots of the conversation?

      I will check on this right now.

    • Troy Dooly

      @GlimDropper,

      Just checked with one of of my bank contacts and all is good. This would be a bank they can't out grow, but I should also point out they have several banks, and my contact just handles a couple of the banks they new use.

      So without having more info, or maybe a screen shot of the conversation I am limited my answer. I would say I have my doubts that a 3rd party volunteer moderator would have access to this type of information.

      I will get ask more questions, but as of now, I would say it is just a rumor.

      • http://realscam.com GlimDropper

        I agree that the person giving confirmation in this instance might be less than an authority.

        I also wonder the the rumor might be conflated with ZR's inability to acquire a US based credit card merchant account. Affiliates are reporting their subscription payments being billed through a growing list of companies and from a growing list of countries.

        I will admit to feeling a bit concerned when I see posts on the support forum where people having a hard time paying with credit cards are advised to call their bank asking to disable fraud protection for the transaction. Any honest Zeek affiliate who reads the forum regularly can confirm that this does happen and not all that infrequently.

        I know here in the States it's a direct violation of Visa and Mastercard's TOS to process CC transactions for someone else's company through your merchant account and it's against the law in many states (including N.C.) as well. But perhaps the laws are different in Cyprus, Korea, Costa Rica and Russia.

        But I honestly and sincerely worry when I hear people are needing to disable their credit card's fraud protection to send money to Zeek through some third party company in a foreign country who's laws might not afford the same consumer protections we enjoy in the States.

        • Troy Dooly

          @GlimDropper,

          You bring up a good point on the CC issue. I have been told that RVG is working to finish a new strategic relationship with a respected international processor, with a US subsidiarity that will be soon handling this issue, and making it simple for affiliates to get paid and to buy bids etc. Not sure how close, but was told it could be announced at the RCD.

          I agree with you that when affiliates are told to call their banks, it is a concern!

  • Adam

    Payza has been working fine for me i have got paid on Monday or Tuesday for the last 4 weeks i love zeek

  • MB

    Shirley in June:

    Good Morning Everyone

    It’s wonderful Troy that you take the time to provide a place for everyone’s thoughts.

    I have to say that I really do enjoy most of the posts, whether I agree or disagree, however I am finding that when I read all the redundant posts from K chang, MB, and a couple of others I get a headache.

    Its the same ole same ole stuff over and over. We all have heard you, we all know where you stand. I hope you are not in Zeek, I’m guessing you are not. It would be so nice if they would stick to their forum with Oz. They have a hay day over there at the expense of Zeek. Makes me wonder if these people have anything of value going on in their life at all.

    Zeek is an awesome company, if you don’t like it – go away. I don’t like the fact that the pay is slow right now either, but I will tell you this – I ALWAYS get paid, and it’s only been in the last few weeks that it has been slow and although I wish none of us had to go through this, especially on a holiday weekend quickly approaching, I do believe they will figure out a way to get this handled in a timely manner.

    I believe that we will see Zeek Rewards around for many years. I am so tired of listening to the same “FEW” babble on and on and on with their uneducated views, they are like stubborn mules and you will never get them to budge no matter what facts you throw at them.

    Shirley

    Shirley NOW:

    Troy

    Given the current situation and the investigation that is in progress, do you think that it would be wise if we as affiliates hold of on building our businesses.

    If we explain the company as it is designed today and there are changes coming, possible elimination of the RPP or compensation plan, wouldn’t we be doing a major disservice to anyone we present this to, if here very shortly everything changes?

    I love this company and what it is doing to help so many people financially, and personally I for one have made sure that I have done my due dilligence and learned this business inside and out and made sure that I knew what I needed to know to be compliant.

    I have trained and worked hard with my team to make sure they understand the business model and present it properly. I cannot tell you how many hours I’ve spent teaching and answering questions and if I didn’t know the answers, finding someone who did.

    It’s really sad to see all of this happening to a company that I feel has so much potential if only everyone could come together and work together for it’s success.

    The commissions are late again, phones are ringing off the hook from my team wondering what is going on. This is frustrating, sad and discouraging all at the same time.

    In my 14 months of being a part of Zeek Rewards, I have always defended and worked hard to put out fires. I just do not understand why a simple communication on Zeekrewards news stating “sorry fine people, commissions will be late again this week” Something, anything would help us out who have built our business with teams that come to us for answers and we have NONE.

    Is it possible to check on the status of this weeks commissions so that we can have something to take back to our teams and give them some sort of time frame when they can expect to be paid?

    I know one should never put all their eggs in one basket, however some of us who are 100% devoted to the success of Zeek Rewards and don’t have a plan b, because we fully believe in what we have here, rely on those weekly commission payments being paid on time as promised.

    Shirley Crawford

  • Sherry Choi

    Hi Troy,

    I can't help wondering if the compensation plan does get eliminated as outlined above, and the affiliates are simply left with bids to use on the auction, that this might create a very high demand for toilet paper with pictures of Caldwell's, Oliveras' and Burks' faces printed on it.

    What do you think? How could one get Zeekler supplied with such items to list on the auction?

    I'm just trying to think of ways to build my business and change peoples lives….

    • Troy Dooly

      @Sherry,

      Burks, Oliveras or Caldwell, when it would be the AG who would make the decision?

      None of the three above want to see the elimination of anything, and all three have been moving towards tweaking the RPP with qualifiers to make sure it is filled with retail volume.

      So, "IF" it were the AG decided the whole compensation plan has to be eliminated, you can bet that ALL penny auctions will have to eliminate their compensation plans.

      Again, the worse case is a regulatory move, not a RGV move. Maybe you should share your story with the AG so they know, how Zeek Rewards has benefited your and your family, instead of allowing just the complaints to weight in the decisions.

      • Morten

        If the AG choose to change something, it will probably be because someone else should have done it long time ago, but haven't managed to do it?

        So the toilet paper with pictures on can still be a popular product.

        People will always blame what they see right in front of their own eyes, so they will probably blame the AG first if unpopular changes are made. But that doesn't make much sense, does it? Other people have pointed out the same issue for 8 months or more, so there's obviously someone who have failed doing something.

        This depends on the customer group the toilet paper is designed for, but I believe the brands "Oliveira", "Caldwell" and "Burks" have a more concentrated market than "Roy Cooper" (NC AG) in the long run.

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  • Live Laugh Love

    Hi Troy, Thank You for all you do! I had the pleasure of meeting you at the Red Carpet Event in June. I am fairly new to Zeek just 4 months now. I just wish the AG's office could hear about all the lives that have been changed for the better because of Zeek.

    I had lost my career due to health issues, with one less income we have been hurting. Went through bankruptcy as everthing began to snowball. We have my elderly mom and two small children we care for. Our friend shared zeek with us and for the last two month have been able to draw out enough funds to pay our house payment! That is hugh for us!

    We have been working with our team to build Zeek right and I honestly can't imagine everything falling apart now. I would love to hear about the positive ways that Zeek has changed others lives. Perhaps we should all send a ton of positive letters to the NCAG's office during this time for them to take into consideration. Do you think it would make a difference? Up at this hour couldn't sleep as we have also built our hopes in Zeek as our answer to PRAYERS! I STILL BELIEVE!!! Thanks Again, Troy

    • Troy Dooly

      @Live Laugh Love,

      If I were a betting man, I would bet the AG has heard these stories, and I would bet a couple of their investigators were at the last Red Carpet Day, and may be there next week. :)

      Since the AG seems to be the outlet for complaints, maybe it would be good for you to write to them, sharing your story. Sometimes a positive story can get as much traction as a negative one.

      • Robert

        Zeek Rewards has a Superior Staff and some of the Best Attorneys in the Nation. Kevin Grimes of Grimes and Reese Attorneys at Law have created one of the BEST Compliance courses in all of network marketing. Greg Caldwell is a seasoned veteran who brings over 25 years of experience in criminal and civil investigations and has assumed a chief role as COO of ZR… Our attorneys Nahra and Waak have been instrumental in advising ZR in compliant business practices… You Troy have boasted that ZR is one of THE MOST Compliant companies in ALL of network marketing… Zeek is STRONG and GROWING…I am so thankful for what ZR has done for me and my family and friends!!! Go ZEEK!!! Just Poseted this on the Facebook page of NC AG… Ban together ZEEK affiliates and let your voice be heard

  • Chuck

    "all agreed that the RPP needs to be funded with some solid custom revues outside of the compensation structure"

    Troy forgive me if I'm wrong but your statement makes it sound like your saying the RPP is being funded by what? New associates? Isn't that what the nay-sayers are saying? I hope I'm just reading this wrong. I'm becoming very worried.

    Thanks any help you can offer

    Chuck

    • Troy Dooly

      @Chuck,

      I am saying that the RPP has been the one area the critics had nailed over and over as an "investment" funded by affiliates buying massive amounts of bids. And in my opinion, as young as ZR is, and the fact Zeekler does not have enough Paid High Ticketed daily Auctions to generate enough revenue to please the critics (maybe regulators) that the move RVG is already moving at launching Zee Bates, is the right move and will fund the RPP with real customer revenues.

      I have stated this fact from day one. It is not a huge deal in the first 24 to 36 months for the average company. But when folks think they are "investing" in a company it is a huge deal. RVG knows this and have made the right moves. Plus they bought a network marketing company with a nice customer base, that will also fund the RPP.

  • "J'

    so,if the worse case happened with the rpp…who keeps the MILLIONS of dollars that has been and still being pored in ?I would hate to think Paul ,Dawn and company with all the money They have made with ZR would make out like bandits while scores of other lose out,I only hope and pray that all will be fine and that the comp changes are obtainable for average folks like myself.After all,that's why a lot of people joined,because they were not typical MLMers.

    • Troy Dooly

      @"J",

      Eliminating the RPP doesn't change the rest of the compensation plan. Anf if you read the P&Ps RVG has the right to change the compensation at anytime they feel the need, which is typical of all network marketing companies.

      As for the money you and others have "pored in" for purchasing bids, well I would hope you would give those bids away to folks who will use them in the auctions to continue to grow the retail revenue needed for whatever new bonus might be created.

      Remember, this worse case is if the AG, not Paul or Dawn decided the RPP has to go.

      And I can tell you if the AG said it has to go, they will also say, a huge amount of money should be set aside for refunds to folks who would decide ZR is not for them.

      Personally I do not see where you or others would lose out at all. As Zeek has been doing for months, they were already adding several qualifiers and moving even deeper into a customer focus company. I think this will continue and folks will have a stronger company.

      So if I were you, I would not focus on the worse case, but focus on the positive. As a matter of fact, since folks can write the AG a complaint, maybe you and others should write the AG and tell them you positive story.

      • Michael Soud

        Troy, I like your idea about contacting the AG with positive experiences. I know it will not change the letter of the law but it can't hurt.

      • "J'

        Thanks Troy for all you do…I do focus on the positive but I must admit,I'm a little nervous.

        • Troy Dooly

          @J,

          I think we are all a little nervous. Anytime a regulator is reviewing a company, and the company is slow to communicate, people's nerves get a little edgy and sales of coffee and energy drinks go up :) Glad some of the folks are on autoship in coffee and energy drink companies.

    • Robert

      I assure you J that Paul and Dawn would be the last people in the world that would keep the money… As a friend of Paul, I can promise you that he has a HEART for the people and NOT himself! It would go back to the people of ZR…

  • naija_guy

    Troy, thanks alot for the helpful info you provide. IF ZR does survive and still retain a majority of their affiliates, they'd have u to thank.
    I hear that zeek recently bought another mlm company for about $50m. Is it true? What's it about? Are they diversifying? Or was it merely an exit strategy?

  • naija_guy

    Troy, thanks alot for the helpful info you provide. IF ZR does survive and still retain a majority of their affiliates, they'd have u to thank.

    I hear that zeek recently bought another mlm company for $50m. Is it true? What's it about? Are they diversifying? Or was it merely an exit strategy?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Naija,

      Yes RVG bought another network marketing company. The price they paid is not public.

      • http://globaldaddy.com Abey of Ri

        Troy

        Thanks for the wonderful job here.I am still at loss as to how you pull resources to support this forum.Every one comes here to ask you questions and your altruism is beyond words.

        Here is my 2cents:

        Some folks wrote the NC AG about zeek.What about very happy million others write him to state their own side.

        Here is my story

        I joined zeek after someone told me i can advertise for a company.I joined , bought some bids which i need to give out to my folks and friend to try out. The essence of the bids is to let these people have a taste of bargain and let them return as paying bidder. This is not new most company does this.I know software/shareware trial is in the same category.

        The company promised me that if i do my side of this deal, they will share daily profit with me but they did not promise any amount.I have been doing this and they never delayed in sharing.I have had some occasional delay in payment transfer , but i have come to realize that most of the times communication between ewallet and their back end caused the delay. I enjoyed the opportunity and i spend part of my money to advertise since i want to make more.I am happy and i know most of the delay was not intentional. I was informed from the very first day that it is not an investment, there is no guaranteed return and that presenting the opportunity as such could result in termination.

  • Steve

    Zeek is continuing processing the 8/13 payments. I got paid through NXPay last night.

  • Ad

    If the plans ZR is making are probably solid enough for the Ag to keep the Rpp. Do you think the Ag will still eliminate the rpp even b4 the plans are launched such as zee bates and the new network marketing company they bought?

    • Troy Dooly

      @Ad,

      Nope! If the plans are solid then the AG's actuaries will review that and run the numbers. Remember the AG does not have a goal to close down companies, he has a goal to protect the citizens of his state. If the math works, and the marketing can be created in a way that is very specific as to what the RPP is all about, and RVG can show how they are very aggressive on shutting down rogue affiliates who promote ZR as an "investment Scheme" then I feel all is good.

  • Knoble

    Troy,

    It might be helpful if you post the AG's address so people can be proactive and quickly write a letter on the positives.

    I'm pretty confident when Amyway was in this situation the positive stories stories were shared. I was in Amyway when I was in college and even though I never went "Diamond" I always share with people that it was my first exposure to true goal setting and being self employed. It's probably time for Zeekler affiliates to rise up and share their stories BEFORE its too late and their stories were never told. Goes back to the saying "evil triumphs when good men(people) do nothing."

    Writing a letter would force them to hear the positives while posting on a blog might not be seen by the AG.

    • Troy Dooly

      @Knoble,

      The link is in the above editorial I believe, but here is it again NCDOJ.gov

  • Robert

    Zeek Rewards has a Superior Staff and some of the Best Attorneys in the Nation. Kevin Grimes of Grimes and Reese Attorneys at Law have created one of the BEST Compliance courses in all of network marketing. Greg Caldwell is a seasoned veteran who brings over 25 years of experience in criminal and civil investigations and has assumed a chief role as COO of ZR… Our attorneys Nahra and Waak have been instrumental in advising ZR in compliant business practices… You Troy have boasted that ZR is one of THE MOST Compliant companies in ALL of network marketing… Zeek is STRONG and GROWING…I am so thankful for what ZR has done for me and my family and friends!!! Go ZEEK!!! Just Poseted this on the Facebook page of NC AG… Ban together ZEEK affiliates and let your voice be heard

    • Mr. Wallace

      I may be wrong but , did'nt Nahra represent Andy the Adsurfdaily guy arguing that soscial security was a ponzi ? You know where Andy is now don't you / sitting in jail. They fortunatly got back 65 million from him to pay back the poor fools who thought they could earn 1 to 2% back on there money by just looking at ads. And I think some of the same people involved in Adsurf where pushing Zeek. Help me out here Troy .

      • Troy Dooly

        Mr. Wallace,

        Gerry was hired to review the compensation plan, and make any changes he felt were needed. He also testified on things in court. Sadly, at times attorneys are brought into companies way to late and at other times the owners do not listen to the experts they do hire.

        I think we all agree that Social Security is a ponzi based on the facts we have. But since the government controls it, I guess they can call it what they want. :)

        You are correct some of the same people are promoting Zeek, and sadly in the beginning the Zeek marketing was real close to the same story line as ASD.

        I called this out in Dec, and in January Zeek had hired Gerry, Kevin, Keith, Greg, O.H., Robert and Peter among some other legal and consultants I do not know and they started to make some major changes.

        With that said, I have continued to call out some areas, including the fact they need more validated retail sales volume, since they are really more of a direct marketing company than a direct sales company.

        Hope this helps…

        • Robert

          Great Point Troy! Exactly what I would have said…

  • Live Laugh Love

    Hi Troy & Everyone!

    I just wanted to post that I did call the NCAGO and get the information to send in our positive feedback and life changing stories.

    The specialist name that is on the case as the investigator for Zeek is Daphney Little. Please address them to her at consumer@ncdoj.gov or you can write in to Daphney Little 9001 Mail Service Center Ralleigh, NC 27699

    Here is the email I sent in I am deleting my name for the sake of the privacy of our family. Thank You Again Troy and everyone! Let's Make a Difference Today!

    Dear Daphney,

    My understanding is that you are the specialist working with the investigation of Zeekrewards. I hope that you have had the opportunity to hear some of the positive feedback about how Zeek is changing lives for the better.

    I would like to share a little of my story. I have been a registered nurse for the past 25yrs and do to health issues recently had lost my job. I am married with two young children and also take care of my elderly mom. Everything began to spiral and we ended up having to go through bankruptcy. Things have been difficult. A friend of ours shared the Zeek opportunity with us and we truely believe it is an answer to our prayers.

    We have been with Zeek now 4 months. We have been working with our team of affiliates to be sure we are training and helping them promote the company within the compliance guidelines. Our team is doing great and prospering. We are promoting the Zeekler penny auctions, advertising accordingly and sharing with our family and friends.

    In the last two months we have been able to set aside funds and pay for our mortgage payment with our earnings. The Zeek opportunity is putting food on the table and keeping a roof over our heads. I can't express to you what this opportunity means to us and how it has saved our family and so many others in so many ways. We pray that Zeek will be around for generations to come as we see this as a way to fund our childrens education and so much more.

    We want to do whatever we can to support Zeekrewards to be here for generations. Please let me know if there is anything that myself and my group of excited affiliates can do to help.

    Thank you again for your time and consideration!

    Best Regards,

    • Robert

      Great Post Daphney!

      • Live Laugh Love

        Thank You Robert! Let's do what we can =)

  • Wanker

    Sending positive feedback and "lifechanging stories" to the authorities is a quaint idea, but it's irrelevant to the question of whether the Zeek Rewards business model is legal or not.

    What if you had a "benevolent drug dealer" in your neighborhood? As long as the employees were paid well and the dealer made donations to local charities, would you not only look the other way, but defend them in public?

    Or would you only defend them when *you* were the one getting paid? Seems like there's a lot of that going on in relation to Zeek. Money changes everything, it seems.

    • Live Laugh Love

      Wanker

      We are believing Zeek is operating legally, until proven otherwise. Now is the time to let the authorities know what is positive. While we can make a difference. It matters.

      We all know if it is deemed illegal then it's over. Nothing more to say even though it may have helped many.

      Until the final say, BRING ON THE POSITIVES =)

    • Robert

      Incorrect Wanker, When ALL you hear are the negatives about a company you can become "brainwashed" into accepting these outside beliefs without giving the company a justful review… This company is a great company to work for and this should come out to those who are reviewing the company too… I agree that statements should have NO BEARING on the legality of a company, but unfortunately they sometimes do…

      Example: I am a high school teacher by trade. Although we as teachers should never prejudge a student we are about to receive in our class, we are fallable and sometimes do… It is Not because we want to, it is simply human nature to prejudge… Each and every student that comes into my class deserves a fair and just beginning each year… I try to live by this but I am only human too….

      If all the NCAG hears is negative, negative, negative, it would not be hard to lean towards the negative… So, The NCAG NEEDS to hear both sides and especially the Positives!!!!

      • Wanker

        With all due respect, I think you’re missing the point. Theoretically at least, the NCAG and other authorities will deal with FACTS when making any decisions. Facts are not positive or negative, they are what they are.

        If the facts are that Zeek’s business model is constructed in such a way that it is illegal, then all of the “lifechanging stories” in the world will not change that, nor should they.

        If you believe that laws should be changed because in your opinion something delivers more “good” to society than “bad”, that’s fine; the legislative process is available to you to make that happen. But as of right now, the laws are what they are.

        Many of Zeek’s critics can offer logical arguments and supply reasonable mathematical estimates that show that Zeek’s business model (the RPP in particular) is likely to be illegal in its current state. Granted, nobody knows for sure except Zeek, but they aren’t offering any reasonable explanations to the public and hide behind the veil of “propriety” and “compliance”.

        On the other hand, the only thing Zeek supporters are able to offer are stories about how people are getting paid and the money has changed their lives. No rebuttals to the critic’s arguments, no proof of purely retail customers that buy large numbers of bids, no alternate mathematical estimates, essentially nothing but “Zeek is wonderful”.

        Can you not see how the two sides are different? One side is using logic, while the other uses emotions… which is typically best when critical thinking is required?

        • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

          @Wanker,

          You are correct that the AG does deal in facts. Facts as his office sees them. However, with the "facts" there can be at least two interpretations of what the facts reveal. So if an AG is shown only one side of the facts, and the evidence supports what he believes the facts are, then his final opinion will be one way. However, with an opposite opinion is presented, the AG and his staff may dig a little deeper to determine if their original findings are accurate. If the AG decides the facts are indeed as he first believed, then his opinion will not change. However, the new evidence may prove otherwise.

          But, then we go to the next level of the legal process… The Appeal. Even if the AG were to decide a worse case scenario, RVG has the right to appeal and present even more evidence that the opinion of the AG could be wrong, based on his interpretation of the facts.

          So although the facts are neither positive or negative, the outcome is always positive or negative depending on which side of the debate one sits.

          I would also disagree with you wholeheartedly on your statement "one side is using logic, while the other side emotions. A better statement would be "on both sides there are folks using logic and emotions to try and figure the whole thing out."

          I would also contend that neither logic or emotions will help in determining the Zeek outcome… It will revolve 100% around the math, not logic or emotions. The math will tell the real story! And at the end of the day, I will predict the math will show both the strength and weaknesses of the over the overall business model.

          If both sides are using the wrong math to determine either a logical or emotional outcome, then the outcome will still be wrong. This all revolves around one of the fundamental first principles of logic… The law of noncontridiction.

          Mortimer J. Adler states it best…

          "The fundamentals of logic should be as transcultural as the mathematics with which the principles of logic are associated. The principles of logic are neither western or eastern but universal."
          And to come to a logical conclusion in this situation, we must fully understand the math behind the business model.

          Outside of knowing the real math, all any of us are doing is trying to provide conclusions based on historical data from other business models close to Zeek's, and adding our own subjective commentary.

          Once we know the math, or in this case the AG knows the math, then and only then can a conclusive conclusion be found.

          • Wanker

            Troy, on your last point we can certainly agree… it's ALL about the math!

  • george in Georgia

    Mr. Wanker, seems to me there is a huge difference in zeek and a drug dealer. So long as zeek continues as is noone is getting hurt, unlike a drug dealer where many get hurt and even die. From what i have been reading zeek has saved many. Don't know anyone it has hurt. In todays times i see nothing coming from our goverment to help anyone so zeek has been a blessing to many.

    Sir you are very right money does change things, just read a story above where zeek paid a mortgage and is putting food on the table. I have not been in zeek long enough to apply for payment but why put a shadow on folks hopes and dreams for zeek, when no one else is doing anything. Who knows maybe zeek will help keep someone from becoming a drug dealer. desperate people do desperate things when they can't feed there family.

  • Daniel

    Hi Troy I was wondering what happened to all the comments they were very very helpful

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @Daniel,

      We are updating the comment platform, and even though we are all in the middle of a huge situation, I needed this done before I head out of town next week. Should be back up by morning.

  • sandy fitzburgh

    hey troy whats going on? cant get to the threads on zeek

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @Sandy,

      We are updating the comment platform to better serve the community. All should be back up by morning.

  • gen3benz

    Troy,
    1. Any idea if Greg Caldwell will write an editorial on the AG investigation?
    He wrote the credit union one the same day you did, but its been over a week and no news on the AG one.

    2. Why do you think the AG will tell Zeek to drop the RPP?

    3. Do you think Zeekrewards will survive without the RPP?
    If all the VIP points were converted to bids, that would be a TON of auctions needed for affiliates to bid on.

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @gen3benz

      1. I do not know.

      2. I do "NOT" think the AG will have them drop it. However, I did offer that as a "worse Case" scenario. I have also explained if that were to happen why it might.

      3. I think that Zeek Rewards like any network marketing company needs to be able to survive without the compensation plan. Based on the penny auction niche and the amount of money that is spent on the internet daily, yes I feel they could survive. Without the RPP they might look more like a traditional network marketing company, but… Paul Bruks sure has a way of always coming out on top and figuring out a closer model to his dream of a company and system that pays everyone not just the top few.

  • hopeful

    Troy,
    Did you ever get that meeting you said you had scheduled with Zeek this week? Appears to be a blackout with the cancelled calls, and now red carpet cancelled. Did you get shut out as well?
    Scary times with investigation and now communications blackout

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @Hopeful,

      Have a post coming

  • Tom

    Zeekrewardsnews: RC Day cancelled. Any word on that promised “on the record” talk with the folks in Lexington? I just pray that i can retrieve my money back, but I’m not holding my breath.

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @Tom,

      Have a post coming soon!

  • GMforlife

    Troy,
    With the breaking news of Zeek cancelling their red carpet event some people are very concerned with everything else that has been happening over the last month. Can you shed some light as to why they did that? Or why you think they would do that if you haven't heard why? Thanks man! Always appreciate your thoughts.

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @GMforlife,

      I have a post pending

  • Rami

    Troy,

    got this now when try to access ZR , zeekler and zeeksupport:

    “Zeek Rewards is currently unavailable. More information will be available shortly on this website.”

    What is going on?

  • Chuck

    Troy,
    Out with it already! You seem to pride yourself with fair coverage of all things zeek spit it out! Reading through your previous posts I gotta say I’ve come to believe your nothing more than a shill for rvg. Shame on me for listening to all your “investment” hype. I for one will not will not be fooled twice from Troy dooly. Take down the flag it’s a disgrace.

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @Chuck,

      ROFLOL… Well since we could not get on the site to put I did the post on YouTube and the social profiles last night. :)

      So, seriously, if you can find your info faster and better elsewhere, so be it!

      What exactly do you mean a Shill for RVG?

      And on the "investment" side of things, or really anything you think I said, I think you might want to go back and really listen from day one until now.

      As for the FLAG… Well sport it stays :)

  • dkleazy

    There is a petition going around for Zeek affiliates. I encourage you to sign it. Here is the video to it. There is also a link

  • Yuliya Kovalyova

    Hello, Troy Dooly

    Please, comment on this statement http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2012/2012-160.htm
    We worry about destiny of Zeek Rewards, we hope and we believe in you

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      Yuliya,

      The company is going to be liquidated and refunds given to affiliates who have yet to received all of their original bid purchases back as Cash Available. I am not sure if this will include monthly subscriptions or not.

      • Yuliya Kovalyova

        These news are authentic for 100 %?

        How there will be payments?

        Also that we need to make for this purpose?

        I pay. I can not believe in it.

  • MLM_maniac

    Another fraud bites the dust. It was the SEC that brought an end to these guys. Website down, fraud charges filed, money frozen. Good Job SEC attorneys.

    • http://MLMHelPDesk.com Troy Dooly

      @MLM_manac,

      LOL… We will never know now will we? So many folks wanted to see Zeek go down that no one seems to be asking some very important questions.

      1. If Paul Burks was the mastermind behind a $600 Million dollar ponzi, why did the regulators let him off with NOT admitting guilt?

      2. If Zeek was really a ponzi why were they no criminal charges like some other Ponzi's like ASD?

      3. If Paul Burks siphoned millions of dollars off the top (not knowing how much millions are), but they only fined him $4 million dollars Less than 1% of the overall purported Ponzi.

      None of us will ever know for sure. But one thing we do know… The regulators just walked in and took control of $235 million dollars in cash and several mission in asses that belonged to a private company and its affiliates without the due process of a public trail to prove their charge.

      They mention the pending collapse of the Ponzi due to the company taking in $162 million in July and paying out $160 million… well over the 50% mark no doubt… Yet when you look at the over all numbers $600 million taken in, $375 million payed out, it is far closer to the 50% mark. And the regulators state there is still $225 million in the bank Those two number alone come up to $600 million. I am still not sure about all this.

      I'm still trying to figure out what money was siphoned… if the totals above add up to what the regulators said came in!!! I court hearing would have given us facts we will never know.

      I just hope this isn't the new way of taking over questionable companies…

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