Breaking MLM Scam Alert: Randy Jeffers, founder of Libert International, launches WOW Mobile, ten years after the death of his last MLM telecommunication scam, Destiny Telecom.
(UPDATE: Randy Jeffers Talks to Troy Dooly at MLM Help Desk)
Ok, yes I have heard both sides of the Destiny Telecom side of things. However, after reading several of the court documents, opinions of top MLM attorneys I am convinced Randy Jeffers could have corrected issues with his company long before the FTC got involved had he not let his ego get out of hand.
Now, for you who have no clue what I am talking about, let me fill you in.
In the late 90s the Telecommunication Industry was deregulated, and hundreds if not thousands of small companies launched. Kind of like what we are seeing in the MLM Wireless arena today. Randy along with some other interesting folks saw an opportunity to earn millions of dollars off the back of unsuspecting people.
The DotCom boom was getting into full swing, and people from all walks of life were looking for ways to earn money. Most, like today were not taking any time to investigate the businesses. They were listening to the Charismatic Hype from the son of a preacher as he motivated and got them excited.
People from single moms, to retired couples on fixed pensions joined the company because of the promise of fast money. I remember the Hype like it was yesterday… “This company is growing faster than Excel! It will be the next Billion Dollar MLM Business! We’re the Fastest growing MLM Company in History!”
As Kind Solomon, the ancient King of the Hebrew people wrote… There is nothing new under the sun!
This link will give you a short overview of Destiny Telecomm. Read closely the issue with the Matrix compensation plan, does this sound like a couple of other companies I’ve blogged on lately.
Destiny Telecomm Overview Although not every link works, you will get the picture.
Hereis a great article from Grimes & Reese top MLM Attorneys Click Here
Here is a short chronological order of events which took place, while trusting MLM Distributors, continued to believe the words of Randy Jeffers, Richard Slaback and others who earned millions, knowing the FTC and several sate AGs were closing in fast.
Feb 14th, 1997 – Oklahoma CORPORATION COMMISSION
January 20, 1998 – State disconnects calling card firm
October 10th, 1998 – California Regulators Bar Destiny Telecomm International from State.
Now, this brings us to Liberty International.
Randy launched Liberty International after moving from California to Texas. The domain was grabbed in July 8th, 1999 not to long after everything quieted down form the Destiny Telecomm scam.
The company website talks about a company for the 21st Century, yet their site still looks like a 1999 website.
There is no company office, just a PO box, and the fact they use “The Planet” as they hosting company.
As for their launch of WOWMobile.com, well it seems to be the same story as other wireless communication technology. Nothing new, nothing different.
In closing, let me say… I do believe people can change. Lord knows I am far from perfect and folks keep reminding me of that fact daily.
If you are going to make Liberty International your home, or market the WOWMobile wireless service, at least know all the facts.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Troy,
If you want to give a impartial review then you need to try the Wow mobile phone service. It works and works awesome. It kicks ass on any other wireless phone service on the market today!
Steve,
I have not questioned the technology of any company who has entered the MLM Wireless arena. However, as several MLM companies do on a regular basis, if you or WOW would like a review of the technology send a phone for a month and I will gladly review the services.
In the case of WOW, I focused 100% on the integrety of the leadership, based on past track record, and the current issue of taking advantage of people.
Lord knows I am not perfect and can make mistakes. I call them as I see them, and make course corrections when new facts are presented.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Hey Troy,
As you are very well informed I have to assume that you know that the final software upgrade for the WOW network is not yet complete. As it stands 3G works well right now but Edge/GPRS is poor when it comes to voice quality(web browsing not a problem). As we are breaking new ground in this industry and the fact that we would like you to have the full experience of the WOW mobile service we will not send you a phone until the upgrade is complete. Programing is a difficult profession to pin down for time and our engineers have told us it could be 2 days up to 3 weeks but IT WILL be done and work very well. So Troy you will receive a G2 phone within days of the final upgrade completion. We look forward to your objective and impartial evaluation of the WOW mobile network. Thank you.
Livin Large!
Steve
Steve,
I have been keeping an eye on the progress you folks are having. Take your time, I fully understand anything worth doing is worth doing right. Once everything is ready then we'll move forward.
Thank you for posting and keeping the community up to date on everything.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
How is that final update coming?I am sure Troy has his phone since the big final update came out! How exciting! You Reps pushing this Wow service are plain desperate to make money that you have to make statements that flat out are not true. And yes I am a Rep to but I can not in good faith sell this service to anyone unless I fully disclose the truth and after doing that most people do not want to sign up. I guess Steve has no problem sleeping at night making crazy claims like his phone works great!!! Yeah the web surfing works great, if it works so great I take it you replaced your old cell service.
Yeah ,
I knowm my dad got in and got screwed. They promise the moon and deliver pizza. Took a month to get the phone, and he would have been better off with a Walkie Talkie. How do you get hold of CS? carrier pigeon? How about accounting? Maybe Pony Express. The phone works if you are in a hot spot like next to your modem. These guys are a bunch of crooks. Try to get one on the phone , then let us know how great they are.
Clay,
I personally don't think your dad got screwed. At least not yet. When you say "they" who are yuo specifically referring? Maybe if we can start at the beginning, when your dad signed up we can get the issues handled, and get him making some money.
Have you gone all the way upline to get support?
Well said Troy I myself have seen people jump from company to company and it seem like they do it every month. What happened to get rich slow. Many of these people are only after the money and don’t care about their reputation or organization.
You are exactly right. They are going all over the country promoting these big seminars and getting everyone to sign up, but try to get someone to help you once your dooped.
Clay,
this is a frustration I have with recruiters in MLM, instead of Sponsors. However, this is no different than any other profession made up of independent reps. Even professional sports has this issue. The scout goes, finds the new player, gets them to sign on the dotted line, and are gone. Corporate recruiters, again do the same. Don't let the actions of a supportive upline, damage how you see everyone.
Have you gone upline to find support, and someone with info who can help?
Troy,
Excellent information. It does seem that everyone in jumping on telecom. No wonder when you see children to grandparents with phones. It is a big market.
i must agree with you 100% that reputation and ethics are more important then any other factor. After all we are tying not only our financial futures but also those of the people we recruit to a company.
If there are no ethics, how can we expect to be paid a long term residual commision.
I thought that was the goal! It is mine. We joined Zurvita based on ethical leadership.
Thanks,
Jay
“Integrity is the essence of everything successful.” — R. Buckminster Fuller, American Author, Architect, and Visionary
I’d say Liberty and WOW are 100 times worse than Global Verge. Run away from this company!
People don’t get it – you can have the greatest idea for a technology that you want but what about the MLM company that’s going to be delivering the product and the checks? What Troy is speaking to here is the integrity of the corporate “ownership”.
I'd do some research first to see if throwing stones at WOW is valid-actually, WOW Mobile reps are getting their paychecks on time, reps and customers are getting their Google Phones within five business days of ordering with no backlog-Global Verge/Buzzirk cannot say that-as a matter of fact there many Buzzirk Triple diamond reps on board with WOW Mobile-it seems that everyone who responds in a negative way with a scam rumour on the net is trying to muscle in their own network marketing product-be honest about it folks-I make no bones about it, I am a satisfied rep with WOW Mobile-also the remarks towards Randy Jeffers about' son of a preacher' show deeply ingrained religious bias-its a cheap shot to make those kinds of generalizations
Thom,
Words of Wisdom! (WOW)
I could not resist.
I have not thrown any stones at WOW Mobile directly. I'm a firm believe, it is better to review the foundation of a company, than just pitch stones at the windows. And as I am sure you have read my full article, you know my concerns do not revolve around the technology, as much as it does the overall welfare of the field force.
Providing a few phones to a small group of folks, or paying commissions to a small group of folks happens daily. As a matter of fact Global Verge did not miss a commission payment the 12 months prior to the month they hit geometric progression. But, then they could not get a commission paid until things came back to ground and now folks have been paid, but the commissions are back to what they were prior to all the hype.
And I am sure as we get to know each other you will find I do not shoot from the hip, unless I have my facts in order. Sure I can still miss, but that doesn't happen very often. And when it does, I proudly spread the new or corrected facts louder than I did my original critiques.
I am sure there are many Triple-Diamonds on board at WOW, as there are at just about every other Wireless MLM company.
Now, I find your analogy about scam rumors, somewhat elementry and shows you have not done your research on this website or me personally. If you had, you would know I have NEVER muscled my network marketing products PERIOD! As a matter of fact, most folks are not sure if I am in MLM.
Now, once more you talk with an elimentry knowledge as to my background, when it comes to my use of "son of a preacher." I do admit I used the word "preacher: and Randy used "minister (https://www.libertyinternational.net/Founder.asp)… however, the meaning are close.
The reason I brought it up, is two fold (then I'll get back to your comment) is as follows.
1. It has nothing to do with his bio, nor how he runs his personal business. He placed it in his bio, trying to substantiate he can be trusted. WHat his father was or is, has nothing to do with his grown son.
2. He was also the "son of a minister" when he launched, ran and hurt folks in the field at Destiny. He could have used some of the principles found in the Bible to be completely transparent and authentic, letting folks know issues are at hand.
Now, back to what you deem as "deeply ingrained bias" Go read my bio, or review my personal website http://TroyDooly.com. Again you show you did not do any research to see where my words came from. As a matter of fact, I am not sure you have read Randy's bio, or you would have realized where the words came from.
Thom, you seem educated, just a little short on wisdom when it comes to reading between the lines.
I have no bone to pick with Randy, and I am a firm believer folks can change. I'm a living, breathing example. But, changing, being forgiving and knowing what our future holds, does not negate the fact we still have to face the law of diminishing returns.
Some of the leadership at Liberty/WOW have reached out and I have give them my word, if I am sent a phone I will gladly provide an unbiased review.
I'll also say this. Out of respect for the field force at WOW?Liberty I would also be open to a one-on-one conversation with randy, to get his private side of what happened back in the Destiny days, and for him to bring me up to date on Liberty and the vision behind launching WOW!
Thom, you and I know there are always two sides of a story.
Again, thank you for sharing.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Hi Troy!
I feel like you read my mind as I read this post. I was just thinking… I would love for Troy to have a one on one conversation with Randy Jeffers and hear things from a different prespective. I figure as it stand right now, it's the piece of the puzzle that seems missing in your review. I can make that meeting happen. We can arrange for a conversation today or tomorrow just let me know.
As far as the information you are collecting re: Liberty International, Global FREEdom Phone and WOW Mobile to share to the public. I would love to become a resource for you. I don't know which leaders you are in contact with, many of the people interacting here seem to have come on board after the WOW Mobile promo. They may be very well informed but just in case I am here to answer any questions you have.
Karla,
I would gladly listen to Randy and hear him share about the past, present and future. I truly believe there is always two sided of the story. Based on my own background, most of us learn from our mistakes and grow through them.
As for info. It seems a little sketchy lately. I was told by a rep here on the site they would send me a phone to test for a month, so I could post on the technology, that has yet to happen. And when we do ask a few questions, they seem to go unanswered.
After personally reviewing the technology side of things, I have backed off all the companies because I am convinced all of them are wading through new ground and need to work through the technical issues.
However, with that said, I am still very concerned with the way the service is being marketed by most companies. It seems they are all focused on internal consumption more than moving the service out to the public.
Today is out of the question, but I would love for you to email and give me a couple of times that would work for Randy for tomorrow or Friday. You can email me at troydooly@mlmhelpdesk.com.
Also, if you will email me, I will put together some questions which have been sent to us, and it will get us both on the same page.
Karla, thank you for reaching out.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Sound good Troy,
I will talk to Randy tomorrow and set up some time for Friday that way it is not too much of a short notice for anyone I am sending you an email right now and I look forward to your questions. Hopefully we can get you the feedback your readers are searching for.
I wish I could find out who was sending you a phone. I'll try to sift through the comments and see if I can figure out who it is to find out the status.
I am not sure why your questions would go unanswered most questions seemed pretty straight forward to me. Send me over a list and I will most definitely provide answers.
As far as the technology, yup I know with each launch there is a learning curve for all parties involved. Based on my knowledge of what the other companies are launching they should be up and running smoothly soon if they are setting up an infrastructure they fully control. Runing VoIP in the wired broadband, WiFi, WiMax arena, has become much easier now compared to 3 yrs ago. What we are launching now is an emerging technology, we are the first to actually put it to market. We'll talk more about it during our call.
Hi Troy!
Heard you and Randy finally were able to connect. I am very glad to hear that. This project has evolved into a MEGA Project! I am just too excited about everything that is starting to unfold! I also heard you will have a WOW Mobile phone pretty soon! Now that is great news. Looking forward to hearing about that very soon.
Karla
Karla,
It was a great conversation. Randy did not beat around the bush and was very straightforward with every question. I am looking forward to getting a phone. WOW will be the first company who has reached out and offered us the opportunity to test the appliance and services.
Knowing Randy has his hands full I hope you will be available for answering some of my questions as we move forward.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
The Beauty of MLM is that, as independent reps we all individually make a company worthy or unworthy! The integrity lies with all of us as individuals! A few bad apples can spoil the bunch. And who takes the heat when that happens? Right, the owner does. Bash the people that put Randy Jeffers in that position. Randy Jeffers writes my checks…and they come every week like clockwork! And the phone service is great too! So, stop all of the crying and go to work.
Here is the truth
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_19…
Don't listen to ConcernedMLMer who is Ben Sturnevant of Lightyear wirelesss. They are sustaining massive loses…check out their miserable reports…they are going broke…Ben is in his last cup of kool aide…bashing anyone he can…loser!
http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/1002…ANCE-CORP_…
Lightyear has Experienced Net Losses, and May Not Be Profitable in the Future.
http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/1002…ANCE-CORP_…
Lightyear’s business has historically incurred significant losses since inception. As of September 30, 2009, Lightyear had an unaudited members’ deficit of approximately $24,000,000.
While our plan is to reduce our losses in future years, we may continue to incur losses in the current year and possibly thereafter. Such losses would have an adverse effect on our shareholders’ equity and working capital.
Because of the various risks and uncertainties associated with our business, we are unable to predict the extent of any future losses or when we will become profitable, if at all. Unless we are able to secure financing or start to become profitable, we may be forced to cease operations or to seek insolvency protection.
http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/1002…ANCE-CORP_…
Well T.H.A.T. can't be too good for Lightyear. To say that the SEC 8-K Filing by Lightyear on February 19, 2010 would NOT be very encouraging to either its Reps or it's customers would be the absolute understatement of the decade.
http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/1002…ANCE-CORP_…
If anyone is interested, the first sentences in each paragraph from page 9 on down gives a good snapshot. I guess having all that overhead associated with their much touted corporate headquarters building hasn't done much to help things.
This is a very good example of why Randy Jeffers' business model for Liberty International and now especially for the new sub-division WOW Mobile, is way ahead of the game in terms of keeping expenses under control.
Lets be clear that Lightyear has not stated in the 8-K SEC Filing that it is going belly up. — It only reported, among other things, its current debt of $24,000,000 and warned its customers and shareholders that unless it turns things around and is able to obtain additional financing, it may be forced to cease operations or seek insolvency protection.
It has now become woefully obvious why some Lightyear people decided to go on the offensive and attack WOW Mobile. According to Lightyear's own SEC 8-K Filing, Increasing Competition Could Have a Material Adverse Effect on Demand for the Products and Services Offered by the Company.
Perhaps Lightyear will ease up on bashing WOW Mobile in this thread. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone in this industry is trying to survive. I say, live and let live. WOW Mobile is not perfect but we're trying. Neither is Lightyear the shining star its people want it to be.
What is up with Televerus..the telecom division of Traverus???
They are recruiting like mad, but no one can tell you when the phones will be available for launch, what the pricing plans will be, how it will all work, etc etc.
Why do these MLM companies go mad recruiting when product is not clearly defined???
Are they trying to make money off the 1000s joining at the reduced rate of $15.00??
Valerie,
We are reviewing Telverus today. I did a short blog on them in the very beginning, back when they were bringing in Global Verge reps for free. Keep your eyes open for a review in the next 24 hours.
Personally, I think most of the companies are nuts, for getting so wrapped up in a service most folks don’t understand, and it slows down the overall success of reps in the field.
And to answer your question “WHY?” History has proven, when massive recruiting starts before the “REAL” product and/or service is in place, we have the making of a scam. As the very least a cash strapped company trying to raise funds.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Wow Mobile looks like another Zer01 rip-off. No answers on their website as to how it will work, who they work with (i.e. one of the companies with actual towers), etc.
Same “plans” and pricing…
Just seems to be the same garbage rehashed.
Hi Brent!
Check out my reply to JP it may answer some of your questions.
Randy Jeffers preahes about INTEGRITY, what a crock of BS. I have had all the integrity BS i can swallow. All they are doing is sending out phones, adding all these updates that are suppose to make it the phone of all phones , yet when you get one , you had better hope you can figure everything out, because they have no call back rules in place, so no tech support. Oh yes they do, I forgot. They promised the delivery of a phone 3 weeks ago and it was suppose to be shipped the next day. I guess they had to send tech support out to buy one at Wal Mart.
Clay,
I can fully understand your frustration when it comes to the phone. However, whether it's an Alpha test or a Beta test, there are going to be issues. I do think it is better to use your field force for the test, than selling a phone and service still in beta to the general public. If that were happening I would agree with you on the Integrity issue.
And, I will agree that some reps may not be informing the folks they are sponsoring that the phone is still in beta, and that is an Integrity issue.
And, you might be completely right at the whole company has an Integrity issue. However, in the limited contact I have had with Randy, top Liberty reps, and former Destiny reps, Integrity has not been the issue. Resourcefulness has sometimes placed into things.
And, if they do not get the support system down before general launch, then they will have the same issues all the other companies are having. All except ACN and Lightyear, and the smaller companies who let the Tier 1 carriers handle everything.
They use T-moblie towers, maybe you should ask before your c0ck holster
Tim
Well said I look forward to troy getting your info and doing a real review on the whole company not just the phones.
Let me tell you GV/Buzzirk has really left this industry scared for a long time.
On one hand you have some great companies in telecom and if you never been in telecom before you might be ok.
But the former reps from the buzzirk that drank the hype kool-aid with extra sugar can’t get the buzzirk tasted out there mouth.
And even some people that was never in buzzrik hearing what happen are now gun shy and not really going all out in the new company they joined until the products is live in there hands I tell you this GV is the last pre-launch I will ever get into. Got pre launch nightmares.
Semper Fi
Kerry
Hey Guys, Only time will tell how far this company will go….. It is interesting to hear the conjecture of what people think they know about a company's tehnological capabilities and their comp. plans….I have a WOW mobile phone, it works. It has unlimited voice, data, and text . (yes I can surf the internet all I want) . I get my service for FREE. We launched September 1st. I recieve timely commission checks. Any naysayers should stick to the issues (and facts) at hand. Good Luck to all.
Hey Georgeo,
Come on out to West Texas and bring your phone, I'd like you to make a calll 120 miles away. Yeah right, it ain't gonna happen, As long as you have wifi all over the city it may be great. One thing is for sure . They'll sell it to you regardless , and then leave you wondering if LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL, is still alive. If you have some clout, how about getting me Randy Jeffers phone number. I'd love to talk to him, and I'm sure my father who got bilked out of $2100 would too.
Clay,
Although, I am still studying the tech side of things. It is my understanding that ALL Tier 1 carriers have issues in some locations. There is NOT one Nationwide 3-G carrier period.
When you say you surf the net all you want, does that include tethering wireless wi-fi to a laptop computer?
Interesting that WOW mobile is offering a service that looks identical to that of Global Verge and to top it off the phones on the site are marked T-Mobile (who coincidentally also offers unlimited wifi calling for an additional $10 on your T-Mobile bill).
I’ll say that if you want unlimited calling for wifi then either go see a T-Mobile Rep or contact someone that sells wireless for a direct marketing company like ACN or heck just surf the net and I’m sure you’ll find an online site that sells it.
Don’t be fooled by Global Verge scam types or the FDI hype and just do your research and you’ll see that this service has been around (it’s just nobody cared to look for it).
Hi J.P.,
Just want to clear a few points real quick.
Global Verge/Buzzirk price point similarity…
It is no coincidence the packages we offer resemble Global Verge/Buzzirk. Since there was such a huge accceptance for those price points we decided why mess with it?
You could say they indirectly took care of some market research for us.
Continuation of reply
Tier 1 provider name on the phones and Wifi functionality… Yes that is our 1st Tier 1 provider the second one in the process of being added (along with some major cool stuff, stay tuned) . Please make note that THEY ONLY PROVIDE DATA SERVICE TO US. The WiFi capability is built right into the handheld device and therefore required no additional fee. WOW Mobile has the WFI capability and YOU ARE RIGHT it is not new technology… but that is not what we just launched with WOW Mobile. Over a year and a half before adding WOW Mobile to our Global FREEdom Phone Network we launched a Dual Mode GSM/WiFi capable phone pretty much what FDI and Televerus just launched, we still carry it at and it is a wonderful piece of equipment, but it still has it's limitations. THAT IS NOT WHAT WOW MOBILE is.
End of Reply
WOW Mobile was developed entirely by us as a way to offer a true mobile wireless solution combining emerging technology. You could say we are a little ahead of the times since no one else (Telecom Network Marketing companies, TMOBILE, or any other one of our Tier 1 carriers) has what we have developed. They are wonderful supporters in this endeavour and are making their resources and support available to our project but that is the extent of their participation until now.
Tmobile is not a wonderful supporter of Wow. Liberty has purchased prepaid data plans then loaded the Sipdroid application on the phone to use to make voice calls thru there Global Freedom Phone network but the problem is it does not work. The only reason the web surfing and tethering works great is because you are using Tmobile data plans. The voice part if it does not work at all and it has only gotten worse. I am posting so much because it makes sick to hear all of these non truths about what Liberty has with Wow, it is all hype!!
Yo, everyone's missing the point here with WOW Mobile….Refer 3 and it's FREE. PERIOD. Who really cares who the carriers and towers they use. T-Mobile's unlimited wi-fi for $10.00 still can't compete with free.
Hey Troy,
I am back in place and will be glad to assist you with your Traverus review. Let me know what you need and want so I can get you all the facts as one thing about us we have absolutely nothing to hide. I am a Presidential Executive with Traverus and have been with the company full-time since December of 06′. We have been paid on time all the time.
Just for the record we are not out here recruiting at a discount to make money. People must understand Traverus is NOT a start up. We were rocking even before this promotion.
The reason for the promotion was because a lot of people seemed to be taken for a ride with another company that could not deliver. Our ownership wanted to allow them to just merge over for free as many had lost 70.00 elsewhere. To make it fair to all of us instead of just allowing 1 company to come over the Free promotion was run for several weeks. We did over 4,000 new members on my team alone.
The company has to pay for every web site that is turned on regardless of price to join. We work with one of the largest and professional companies that manages the back -end and they are not cheap. Same company ran the backbone of Excel as well as Ameriplan, Zurvita, and several other HUGE names in the industry. This is when we continued to run the promotion but charge only 15.00 to absorb the cost. This simply means we are not making money on enrollments.
The phones???
That other company did something I have never seen. Talk about selling Pink Elephants. They simply promoted something that was a fantasy. People to this day swear it out there and when they find it please contact me so I can sign up.
The big 4 Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T Mobile control all the towers … Period!!! Even many of them that joined my TEAM are my biggest headache.
They know so much false info and I spend my time telling them to tell people ONLY what they know is 100% true.
Traverus is offering the great products. I actually have the headset and the service. It is a real smart phone and we have Voip and pure peer to peer service at launch. No additional services or product required.
The next roll out in several weeks will be additional Smart phones and service plans. Depending on a persons carrier you will be able to use your phone while mobile without the huge packages from the carrier.
I personal will save almost 300 a month on my plan with Verizon. Other companies I am sure will follow and its no big deal. This allows the consumer to go from their home and then on towers without the traditional carrier costs. In your world you would simply drop your service to
I will leave it there for now but please email me and I will send you a detailed comp plan. We can also talk on the phone as well as meet our owner. Next week when we ship I hope to get a phone in your hand as well because the proof is in the pudding and not the chatter. People get so creative over this phone stuff it amazes me. They say things that blow my mind.
Bottom line is why don’t people look at the comp plans and stay away from hype. You can have the best product on earth but with a bad plan you have nothing but hype. You can have a decent product with a great story and a good plan and win.
I love Traverus because of the compensation plan. We could add Diet Donuts for all I care. As long as people will do their monthly auto-ship, we offer quality, and the average rep can win … Sign Me up.
And PLEASE all Traverus members … We do not have to hype this up or bash other good companies.
Tim,
I would like to chat with you live. First I have a couple of questions. You can send the answers via email troydooly@mlmhelpdesk.com
1. Can you send me the compensation plan to review?
2. Is Steve Lewis now the company spokesperson for the company?
By the way I ma most interested in the compensation plan, the Lewis question comes from a few comments I have seen free community members.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Tim,
You are still selling Pink Elephants. No contract, unlimited. BS. You guys are the reason people run from MLM companies!!!!!!
I can't wait for the FTC to implement their new authority and cut companies like Televerus, FDI, Global Verge and others off at the knees so that innocent, faith following people are not lead down the garden path anymore.
This is a very interesting situation indeed. Time will tell. I am on the fence. If the service actually works and you can get a phone and they have the ability to support growth it could work. The model is interesting, big upfront to get maximum commissions, etc… The risk is that they only get a couple of hundred phones out and the next wave goes in big time, then they skip or crash… Looking at the quality of the web site I question their ability to support the growth as they could expereince explosive growth. The only past information is certainly not bright for Randy and company. If Liberty can support the growth it could have decent run for the early entrants as so many of these situations turn out.
I will be watching as my 75 year old mother has just invested over $500 that she can't afford – and she did not get a phone. She coudl have invested in at a lower rate and got a phone – but she decided the upfront one time promises the bigger payout. And will get a phone when she makes her money
As Georgeo says, Good Luck!
Ken,
You make some very astute observations. PLease keep me losted on what happens. Especially since your mom is involved.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Bless your mothers heart. I just wish I could get Randys phone number and I'd call him for her too.
Maybe you can borrow one of my carrier pigeons and get some help, because you sure as heck aren't going to call for help. I was told he was going to call Troy as soon as he got a phone that worked. Troy I hope you aren't too old to wait forever.
Just a friendly comment. I already posted in my previous post, The service AND phones Work fine and they are shipping many phones on a daily basis (fact). I have the Google "My Touch". While the Main site is a little dated (it is being updated) if you check out WowMobileWorld.com , you will notice a big difference. I 'm not sure that basing a compan'ys ability to perform on their website is a good idea….Finally, it's awesome to see a company whose comp plan (if you really take the time to UNDERSTAND it) allows the average person to succeed (just "refer 3 and yours is Free"), plus the residual commissions of a time tested plan….Good luck to all. Georgeo
Good luck to those poor 3 you refer, because I guarantee there will be someone pissed in just a couple weeks. Enjoy that bonus money!
A'men Clay!!
Georgeo,
So why doesn't your site allow customers to order the product? Why is it available to "IR's" only?
And are you using WOW Mobile wireless SERVICE or did you just buy a phone from them? In other words, are you paying a company like T-Mobile or ATT for your wireless service or is WOW Mobile providing it?
I just went to wow mobiles site and the one listed above (http://www.wowmobileworld.com) and both show phones labeled T-Mobile. Just like FDI was using a T-Mobile phone, the service exists without going through any direct marketing company. I just don't see how any company can compete when T-Mobile is already offering the service. Don't get me wrong, I don't wish to come across as bashing these up and coming companies, but I can't see how selling a marked up service that one can buy cheaper elsewhere is going to benefit anyone (especially when it comes to residual income).
We all have a responsibility to our organizations and customers to only offer services which will benefit them in some way, be that health, time or money. If the service is going to cost more, then the customer isn't going to stick around for long and you can kiss that residual goodbye (especially when they aren't under any contract for service).
Hi Concerned MLMer & J.P.
As I explained to J.P. in a different response below we have TMobile phones and will soon have AT&T Phones but we are not repackeaging their service they are tier 1 providers of data only.
When you power up the phones the logos that come up are WOW Mobile logos. We have other phones in our Glbal FEdom phone line that can be used with your own provider in conbination with the WiFi service similar to FDI and Televerus but we launched that over a year ago. That is NOT what WOW Mobile is about. We provide the service and that is where our residual income comes from. This ervice and technology is proprietary to us and exclusively distributed as WOW Mobile. NO one else has it becasue it was developed by us. No one else including our data Tier 1 providers. Hope this helps.
Hi Concerned MLMer,
WOW Mobile provides the service not TMobile or AT&T. The system shows "IRs Only" because even our preferred customers are treated as IRs for all intended purposes. You see they are also assigned a Tracking IR (Rep ID) so tat when tey refer 3 the system allows them to track their referrals. Ths is the way the "Refer 3 and yours is FREE" can be offered to your cusomer base. Evryone is considered an IR becasue everyone has a Tracing ID to refer customers and get their service FREE. As you complete the enrollment process you will be given a choice to sign up as a Preferred customer $24.95 during the enrollment process you will purchase your service package and pay for the handheld device you choose. Once your payment clears yoru device is sent out activated. You will be charged for your service 30 days later this allows ample time to recieve it before you are charged. Refer some people and as long as there are 3 active lines personally referred by you (Tracing ID) you will not be charged anymore.
Hi Conerned, Customers CAN order the product from the sites (Mine is Getfreecellphoneservicenow.com), they just go thru an IR so that a commission gets paid on that product sale. I AM using WOW Mobile's wireless service and I bought the phone (new Google My Touch) from Liberty. It is our service using new Voip technology. Please feel to contact me with further questions…Good Luck to all
So I went to your site, clicked on the Liberty Products, then clicked on the WOW Monthly Service where it takes me to your WOW site. I then click on the service and oops, nowhere to actually place an order. Am I missing something????
Where's the link to actually order the service?
Go through the join now enrollment process and then select preferred cutomer when asked. $24.95 then order your WOW Mobile service and your handheld device. You will pay fo ryour evice now and your service will be charged 30 day from now.
And here's another interesting little thing I picked up by going to YOUR site. I went to your Getfreecellphoneservicenow.com site and when I click on "About Liberty" and then click on "Liberty Founder" it brings up an absolutely disgusting display of Randy Jeffers boosting himself up, filled with pictures from the 1980 glory days. And when you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page it says this:
"And… you can have your own Personal Gateway that is a recruiting masterpiece with it's "About Me" page that lets the world know about you and your dreams and goals. To see Randy Jeffers' Personal Gateway, click the following link: https://www.libertyinternational.net/44639"
Now, when you click on that link it actually takes you to Randy Jeffer's PERSONAL Liberty Page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????????
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And I hate to break it to you but this isn't just an accident. This link has been on the Liberty sites for YEARS!!!! That means your own founder is taking reps away from you!
Hmm.
Troy,
You have some serious exposure work to do buddy! Help protect the MLM industry from Randy's deal, please!
Hmmm…
You bring up an interesting thought. Why would a retired multi-millionaire have to take the orphan prospects coming to a company? Most companies spread orphans around to their top leaders.
We'll dig a little deeper.
I do want to make it clear, I do not have an issue with founders being part of the compensation plan. We have seen this as a normal method of business through some of the biggest companies out there… Amway, Primerica and World Marketing Alliance to name a few.
But, in those cases it was fully disclosed from the start.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Concerned MLMer and Troy,
I am sorry Troy I know I have posted quite a bit today but I had not visited your site before and I feel these are very good points that should be cleared up so that you and your fan base can become familiar with who we really are and what we are all about.
Yes Randy has his own personal gateway and yes it has an "About Me" page. This was designed as an exmaple of how people should do theirs. The back office for the about me page has specific questions for you to answer about yourself in order to promote yourself.
No one signs up there. If they did they would immediately be contacted to correct the situation. How do I know this? Randy does not participate in the compensation plan I have seen his back office and he does not sponsor anyone it is not even fully activated.
ROFLOL,
I've already got the crew on changing the name to Karla's MLMHelpDesk.com.
Now, let me clear up one thing. My fan base here at MLM Help Desk may be a whole lot smaller than those who disagree with me. But in the end we all want the same thing… To find the right company for each of our desires.
Feel free to continue to share.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Hi Karla,
Actually that is not true! We just did a test and you can enroll under Randy Jeffers or Georgeo Scribino (aka Randy Jeffers) if you go to that website Georgeo says to go to. It redirects to the libertyinternational.net website under Georgeo's id but when you either click Join Liberty Now or About Me it all redirects to RANDY JEFFERS sign-up page and about me page. So, RANDY JEFFERS is GEORGEO SCRIBINO and he is the owner of liberty. He does participate in the compensation plan!!!!! Karla, I am Not sure who you are that you are privy to seeing Randy's back-office, but almost seems to me that you might be RANDY too!!
Gary,
Let me step in for a second. What does it matter if Randy does have the top position? Some of the greatest leaders in MLM history held the top position in their comp plans… Mark Hughes (Herbalife), Art Williams (Primerica), Mary Kay, The Amway Founders, Hubert Humphrey (World Marketing Alliance).
In Randy's case if you click through you see he is placing people who come through his link.
By the way… Karla is a whole lot prettier than Randy
Hi Troy,
First off, I would like to thank you for exposing scam companies, so innocent people don't get hurt from them. I understand that many of the greatest leaders in MLM have held the top position in their comp plans but as you said "But, in those cases it was fully disclosed from the start. ".
I was on the fence about WOW mobile and had found your blog which I was thankful for. You helped me to step back and really evaluate if I should spend my hard earned money in this down-turned economy with Liberty International.
I realize you have had a chance to talk with Randy Jeffers, but I haven't been able to find out how that conversation went and if it was sufficient enough for you to move LI from scam alert to legitimate.
My reply to Karla was due to the fact that she stated "Randy does not participate in the compensation plan I have seen his back office and he does not sponsor anyone it is not even fully activated." Which I proved to be false by testing if I could actually go through the sign-up process with him as my sponsor. I was able to go through the complete process and cancelled out as soon as I figured out that what Karla had said was not true, which doesn't look good for the company.
Honesty is a better policy. It doesn't matter if Randy is involved as you have pointed out because many great leaders have been involved in the comp. plan. What does matter is we were told by Karla that he is not involved in the comp plan. I just want honesty. And if a company hides behind lies, I run as far away as I can from them. I believe this a good policy for everyone to take. It is too easy to get scammed with so many "get rich quick schemes" on the Internet today.
Again, your blog is a good resource, I just hope that you understand where I am coming from with the reason why I responded the way I did to Karla.
Gary,
You make a solid point. Etihics should always be transparent. I am doing a new post this week on WOW/Liberty and will be contacitng Randy on this issue, so we report correctly.
I will keep you posted. And I fully understand where you are coming from. I agree 100%.
I KNOW that everytime someone contacts the company directly for information customer service reponds directing them to the person who referred them if they say no one referred them they ask how the person found out and if they say they actively searched for it. We get to the bottom of it. I have personally handled quite a few of these calls and only in one instance did I personally sponsor the IR and that was because he activaley searched the company out after seeing one of my facebook ads. If handled with integrity you can always find out the story and in that story is the real sponsor.
I can forward emails from the last 3 years showing that it is handled this way. Let me knwo if you want a copy.
Hi Troy,
Please tell me where you would like your WOW G2 phone shipped so you can test the service for yourself. We look forward to your review!
Steve,
You can send the phone to
PO Box 6101
Miramar Beach Fl, 32550
Please include everything I will need to know, and contact info for questions. Also please include the length of time I have use of the service.
I will gladly give a fair review once we have used the service.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Hi Troy,
Have not forgotten about you. Just recieved an update from Randy. WOW is implementing their final upgrade this week and as soon as that gets done we will be sending you a G2 phone to test. Your experience will be very favorable as it has been for everyone else that has a WOW mobile phone.
Steve,
Thanks for the update. I was going to give it a few more days, then get in touch with you, just to make sure it was not lost.
Now I can relax
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Hi there! Just want to clear up that there is a series of upgrades released almost daily and most likely there will really never be FINAL UPGRADE.
Karla,
You make a very important point here. Just like Microsoft is always doing updates, or even a regular cell phone company has regular firmware updates, it should be expected that with any new technology there will be continue updates as the product rolls through alpha and beta testing before going live to the masses.
And in the case of Liberty, I would say using your field force for beta is a smart move. The only issue is the critics (like myself) who are skeptical based on the past experiences we have seen this summer.
Thank you for continuing to be a major part of this community and keeping our comments in perspective for all who read them.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Did you receive the phone and service? Where can i find the review?
Dale,
I did received two phones and we are doing a full review of the company the first week of March.
How will we know the service is coming from WOW Mobile????
For all we know it could the same trick that the Global Verge people used (they used a T-Mobile phone with T-Mobile service and video recorded it and tried to trick everyone into thinking that it was a Buzzirk Mobile Phone).
Hi Concerned MLMer,
I'm not sure if we connected on a different forum already but just in case that is not the case then let me address your "concern".
A Liberty International Rep can demo the phone for you and show the difference between soem of teh voice prompts used by TMobile and us. That should be a good indicator for the provider.
That is actually a very good way of finding out if someone is on the up and up with any of these companies.
Now, if you are the Concerned MLMer I connected with on a different forum then:
Congratulations, I know that you already started your business with Liberty International and hae seen you promoting yoru business online. I look forward to meeting you in California.
Karla
Hey Steve,
How about shipping one to P.O. Box 501 Van Horn , Texas, I'll test it for Troy, and while your at it , how about answering your messages. "Oh I know, my carrier pigeon probably went on vacation with the rest of the top dogs". that won't return a phone message.
Hi JP, Hope all is well….If you took the time to go to the site from my contact page (getfreecellphoneservice.com) I believe your questions will be answered….You will see a comp plan that allows you to "refer 3 and yours is Free". Since you said you went to http://www.wowmobileworld.com you should have seen that the Unlimited voice, data, and text (including all the surfing you want and GPS) is 79.95 per month with no credit cks, no contracts, or deposits. That price ALONE is way less than you can get from those you mentioned. When you factor in "refer three and yours is free" the choice becomes even clearer. I realize this is not supposed to be a promotional forum , so please feel free to contact me thru http://www.wowmobileworld.com. Good luck to all.
Don't forget the buy 3 next one free, except that doesn't apply to Wow Mobile products. Thought I'd let you know before you pissed off a customer who wants to buy 3 G2's at once, and get the forth one free, plus sign up 4 people on the service. That happened to me , so one phone cost them over $5000 worth of service and three referrals for my dad.
This is all about mobile mlm phone companies trashing each other fast as they can, they are all going for the same market share, Global Verge is full of promises that keep the suckers waiting, FDI is a complicated system with out of the market pricing, Televerus may make it if they deliver phones and get a decent web site, Lightyear wireless well whats up with that ???…not the best… And liberty ?…troy your bashing them from 10 years ago when they were a different company !, to date they have played by the rules and paid checks on time for 10 years !….now is that enough ??? 10 years, oh same software, comp plan and the 3 is free plan, its all proven to work. What this is is a bunch of other company's shakin in their boots crying Scam when a possible "better" deal overtakes them. OK G.V deserve what they got…and I still have little faith in them, But Liberty / Wow Mobile you cant knock them off their perch…there solid, a 10 year telecom company…no growing pains here !. Troy did you steal a candy bar when you were a kid ?…Folks Wow is going to kick everyones #$%^ in the market plain and simple they are giving it away for free and no autoship scam…autoship is the scam, ntl avg is to recruit 2.7 reps, the 80 /20 rule 80% get scamed for autoship…Now if your with any other company in cell phones and its not wow mobile…then join the scam crew fly up on that high perch and swark it, coz wow mobile reps dont care, we have phones, checks, and the American public understand free, not pay for cell phone service…oh… and pay more with autoship!, gimmie a break!…Offer it free like liberty or shut it!. After all its about the consumer…
If ya cant hang with the big dogs…get of the ?
Tony,
You make sure great points! However, I am not sure I fully agree that "this is ALL about mlm phone companies trashing each other." In most cases the original companies nor etheir reps are giving these new companies any focus at all. And one of the new ones ZurVita has stayed out of all the controversy also.
And as for my part. I have not focused on the technology as much as I am focusing on WHY companies with no core competency in the telecommunication business would get into it?
This is like Primerica selling juice, or PPL launching an online shopping mall.
Liberty has been around for a while. But so has Global Verge and FDI for that matter. And for the most part even with Global Verge these companies have been small focused on their niche and rolling without any huge issues.
However, if any of these companies start Gold Rush, they could end up in the same boat as Global Verge. As a matter of fact I have heard Liberty/WOW doesn't accept credit cards from Reps to join, but ask for a Bank Draft. If this si true, then it is also a red flag. (I have not verified).
As for me "stealing candy" the answer is NO! I did steal some black Ink once, and because it dripped in my hand, and did not all flush down the drain, I got busted and had to go back to the store and tell them what I had done. Stealing was the wrong analogy to use with me.
However, as I have written and shared over the years. I was involved in real life financial schemes and scams through out my adult life which went as high as $150 million dollars. I have a long and deep understanding of what it takes and how folks do run scams.
Time will tell how WOW or any other company does before the MLM Wireless Wars conclude. And from years of experience, it's very seldom that the company making the biggest noise ends up on top. Usually it's the small quite company which no one was focused on, which continued to make the main thing, the main thing, and before too long, they are the Top Dog.
And as I have responded to several folks in each company. I'll continue to keep an open mind. I do beleive folks can change, and if Randy and his team, have learned from their past mistakes, and are building a tight company with all the inferstructure in place, and they are operating well within the guidelines set by the FTC, SEC and all the state AGs, then they will have my support and I will gladly post positive results, and praise their leadership.
At the end of the day, all of us want the teams to succeed, and grow. There is plenty of room for several companies in the telecommunication business. Especially if the reps are marketing to end users and not trying to build ALL internal consumption.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Well I really like all this comments about wowmobil my name is Israel Cruz unlucky for me I was enroll in this company call Liberty International, and their new branch wowmobil.
I want to mention this because when the new cell phones came to the market I was so exited about it.
I when myself to my own liberty website and try to get the lates phone service, for the bla,bla, bla from the presenters, Karla and Danny Pacheco, But my bigest sorprise was when I order my phone it take almost a month before I get it, Then when I finally get it, I give as a present to my dauther, she was so exited like me, when she got her phone, but the bigest deseption was when my dauther try to call me from her phone, and I kind to hear like bunch of roaches, inside of the phone, then they offert a plan of 79.95 for national calls and 89.95 for international calls suppost to 40 countries, liers, that's all what they are, then a week latter I get and Email from the company that reads the following:
Hey Tony,
I'm bashing them , because they screwed my dad and don't help thier new reps with problems. I know , I've waited on the phone for hours to get an answer form Tech Dept, and then when you get an answer, it's someone who doesn't even know what the problem is. The higher ups put the monkey on some little tech, who's just doing her job. You know. calling the people who are pissed and getting her ear full. This is a joke my friend.
This is all about mobile mlm phone companies trashing each other fast as they can, they are all going for the same market share, Global Verge is full of promises that keep the suckers waiting, FDI is a complicated system with out of the market pricing, Televerus may make it if they deliver phones and get a decent web site, Lightyear wireless well whats up with that ???…not the best… And liberty ?…troy your bashing them from 10 years ago when they were a different company !, to date they have played by the rules and paid checks on time for 10 years !….now is that enough ??? 10 years, oh same software, comp plan and the 3 is free plan, its all proven to work. What this is is a bunch of other company's shakin in their boots crying Scam when a possible "better" deal overtakes them. OK G.V deserve what they got…and I still have little faith in them, But Liberty / Wow Mobile you cant knock them off their perch…there solid, a 10 year telecom company…no growing pains here !. Troy did you steal a candy bar when you were a kid ?…Folks Wow is going to kick everyones #$%^ in the market plain and simple they are giving it away for free and no autoship scam…autoship is the scam, ntl avg is to recruit 2.7 reps, the 80 /20 rule 80% get scamed for autoship…Now if your with any other company in cell phones and its not wow mobile…then join the scam crew fly up on that high perch and swark it, coz wow mobile reps dont care, we have phones, checks, and the American public understand free, not pay for cell phone service…oh… and pay more with autoship!, gimmie a break!…Offer it free like liberty or shut it!. After all its about the consumer…
Israel here you new phone with state of the art tecnology voip system., my bigest frustration was when I try to contact one of my sisters in mexico, She can't hear me and I can't hear her also that was my bigest frustration, so I send an email to the company, what can I do to return, my phone because I was all dissapointed with the service they offert and one of the customer service rep. tell me, if you want to get you money back made sure to send you packet the same way you receipt it., well I send it back the phone two wees ago, and I still not get any answer, or even better I do not get my money back yet.
Israel,
These are interesting poss. But you did not give us all the info.
1. Do you live in a city or country
2. DO you live inside a huge apartment complex
3. Do you live under power lines
I understand the frustration of cells not working with the big four, so I would expect it from a smaller player.
Give us more details, not just frustrations.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Tony,
How can you post these comments, which, by the way, look like nothing more than defending/recruiting for YOUR company, then say that 'GV deserved what they got'!!!! Little hypocrytical?? and biased???
How do you know what 'they got'? Seems like you're guilty of believing everything you read too!!
Make it a Blessed Day
Hi Troy I have been watching the Cell phones mlm industry for a few years and the bottom line is that cell phones are a very personal and need to work no hassle product or people will bounce. I use T-Mobile month to month and have not found Globalverge which is Everge or any other mlm cell company beat their quality or price for month to month. I was ripped off by Everge by the way they still owe me money. The best way to protect your reputation is to see the phones work and use them for a year before promoting it yourself. Just step back and ask yourself why didn't they have thousands and thousands of phones ready to go? Because they are using Peter to pay Paul and buying phones on the fly. One little hiccup and good by to another hyped up Cell deal.
Danny
http://www.TheSilentMiracle.com the only way to go to keep a good reputation when doing business with family and friends. Why because the proved it works over and over for 13 years and 35 years of research.
Hi Danny!
I believe you were talking about a different company when you said:
"Just step back and ask yourself why didn't they have thousands and thousands of phones ready to go? Because they are using Peter to pay Paul and buying phones on the fly. One little hiccup and good by to another hyped up Cell deal. "
I just wanted to make sure you weren't talking about Liberty/WOW Mobile. Since we were already an established 10 yr old network marketing with the infrastructure in place in telecom before launching this product, the fnancial stability and cash flow are there. We launch on the day we promised and bottom line "quite a bit of financial resources were already invested into the project even before we let the cat out of the bag or even had the name of the service decided. It's smart to learn from other people's experiences and you can imagine we were very observant.
Hello,
Well, unlike Troy I don’t have nearly as many years as he does in the MLM industry. Obviously, I haven’t been watching all of the companies that claim to have an incredible service, and don’t know about the integrity the people running the show.
However, I can only speak about my experience. (This is NOT advertisement, and would not want anybody from this website getting in touch with me)
I am a Rep for Liberty Int. and WOW Mobile. I get my commission, residual checks at a timely fashion. When I have a question, comment I can quickly address costumer service, another rep and have a respond within a couple of hours.
The compensation plan can be a bit intimidating, but with time you start feeling more comfortable with it. I’ve seen and touched the new cell phones, they actually work and are great.
Now, as far as Randy Jeffers past company and how the FEDS shut him down and all. I read Troys article and wish I had HOURS to read in more detail all the articles in the links.
However, I don’t think we can judge somebody for the rest of their lives over ONE situation. I think any individual (rich or poor) should have the right to stand back up and try again.
For me, there is no scam in Liberty International. When you become a Rep you can:
1. Work hard and create an income
2. Be a Rep with no – income.
This is my experience for over 2 years!
- Juan
Juan,
You share powerful words which all reps from any company can gain wisdom from.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Just a quick shout out to Troy…Kudos to you for creating this well done site to give people both useful information and a choice!
Georgeo,
Thanks for the kind words.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Can someone in Liberty PLEASE give step by step instructions on how to place an actual order for the wireless service??????????????????????????
The website above lead to nothing but a sales site with NO ORDER capability. Nice looking site but it doesn't do any good if you can't order phones and service through it!!!!!!!
I'm starting to smell the Global Verge mirage scheme. It's starting to look like WOW/Liberty Reps are simply lying to people and no one actually has the service. Maybe I'm just a little slow because I've tried every way possible to see if you can order this service and it won't let you.
Concerned MLMer,
I can see your point. However, sine Network Marketing is a 1-on-1 business, maybe it is setup so you have to go to a specific reps website and talk to them before a phone is ordered.
Never Give Up,
Troy
I've done that with 6 of their reps. Not one of their portals leads to the sale of phones or service for Wow Mobile. You can buy everything else on their site, such as their VOIP and grocery packages, but not the Wow mobile.
Hi Concerned,
SOmewhere on here I posted the step by step instructions to do it. If you can't find them let em know and I will send them to you but as far as enrollign for the service…. you should really do this through the person who orginally present WOW Mobile to you.
Thanks,
Karla
Hi Concerned, My typing is aweful! I will gladly walk you through the process. Can we chat on the phone, or email me…wowmobilefree@gmail.com
Hi Concerned MLMer,
I think I responded to you somewhere on here hwo to get the service. Now please take a moment to think back to how you found out about WOW Mobile and then lets get you signed up with teh person responsible for that. Remember this is network marketing and integrity is the only way to go here. Let me know if you need help tracking down that persons Tracking ID (Rep Id) and then I will gladly help you sign up for the service through them.
Hi Concerned, (I will private reply you now with my number to walk you through it.) If you want to do it yourself….. Go to: getfreecellphoneservicenow.com Then, even if you just want to be a customer you click on Join liberty now . I'm not too proficient at typing. Can we chat?
Can anyone answer this? If wow mobile is what it says it is and is in the hands of wow mobile reps then why can’t I locate a single video of a wow phone.
Not a google phone on a T-mobile network. An actual wow phone booting up displaying wow as the carrier. If you can’t provide this then you have nothing. Plain and simple.
Wow rep your next response should be a link to the video of your phone in action. I got my money on no link and a laundry list of why nots. Not interested put up or shut up.
Can anyone answer this? As an Ex buzzirk rep I have learned a few lessons. So. If wow mobile is what it says it is and is in the hands of wow mobile reps then why can’t I locate a single video of a wow phone.
Not a google phone on a T-mobile network. An actual wow phone booting up displaying wow as the carrier. If you can’t provide this then you have nothing. Plain and simple.
Wow rep your next response should be a link to the video of your phone in action. I got my money on no link and a laundry list of why nots. Not interested put up or shut up.
As a Former Buzzirk Rep I have learned one important lesson, do get involved unless you have a tangible product. something that can be put in your hands immediately.
So Why is it that I search the internet and cannot locate a single video of the WOW phone in action? Not one!!
Not talking about a Google phone or T-mobile! Where is the video of a WOW phone booting up displaying the network carrier, Let see it make a call, lets see it tethered!
This is the age of Video, Video are more effective then any words or webpages. If this phone service exists and is the greatest thing and is gonna kick @#$%, and blah blah blah, Then why is it that not a single rep decided to post a video of a phone in action? Sounds strange to me.
So Wow rep that claims this is a great phone and you have it make a video, post a link and show us your phone.
One other question Why would WOW mobile place pictures of cell phones on there site that clearly say T-mobile on them? Are they selling T-mobile service wrapped up in a Wow package? If im gonna go get T-mobile phone then ill go to my local store and get it. why pay a Wow rep?
Ex Buzz REP,
Bring up a great point.
This is the same point I brought up with Buzzirk/GV and I challenge one of the WOW reps or corporate leaders to create a video everyone can review. If there is already one available with covers what is posted above please provide a link.
Never Give Up,
Troy
FROM: EX BUZZ REP, EX ACN REP, EX LIGHTYEAR REP ETC…
I GOT SCREWED WITH BUZZIRK NOT ONLY ON THE MONEY PART ,BUT ALSO
ON THE CREDIBILITY PART.
THEREFORE:
I WAITED UNTIL THEY SHOWED ME THE CELL PHONE AND IT WORKED, AND THEY SHOWED HOW CELL TETHERED TO MY LAPTOP AND IT WORKED BETTER THAN ANYTHING I HAD EVER SEEN BEFORE AND THEN I HAD SOMEONE SHOW ME THEIR
COMMISSION CHECK. I MADE CALLS ALL OVER THE U.S AND PUERTO RICO AND IT WORKED. THERE IS A VIDEO AVAILABLE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON YOU TUBE HOW IT
WORKS. SEND ME AN E-MAIL TO LIBERTADINTERNATIONAL@GMAIL.COM AND I WILL
HELP YOU CONFIRM EVERYTHING FOR YOUR SELF. I HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP AND
I HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED COMMISSION CHECKS.
I have video of the phone in action, call 302-420-6889 or facebook me cliffhenry
also http://www.wownophonebill.com
Cliff,
Read out follow-up posts. I have two phones now, and are testing both.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Because you can't refer 3 and get yours free through T-Mobile direct.
Hey all ,This is really getting comical….Troy is getting a WOW mobile phone sent to him. Troy, the maker of this site. It will be interesting to see what has to be said after he tries it out and it works like I say it does.. Again, and to this point I have had no takers ( just talkers) contact me leave a number, or email. I will treat you with respect. I will walk you through how to sign up for a phone, the service, or as a rep. Enough with the people trying to guess how the technology works. It works. I use my Wow mobile phone, and it is our service (Voip) that connects you to your call. Yes we use Google phones. Yes, they say t-mobile on them. If you are not just a disgruntled MLMER and want to move forward, the offer still stands. Respect and good luck to all Georgeo p.s I will suggest to the company a "phone video be produced soon" but if anyone wants to see, feel, or use my phone and they are welcome to contact me. Georgeo gasthegov2@msn.com
No Video, So there is your answer. It only takes a few minutes to make a video and put it up on you tube.
Hey Moron! How about you treat all of us with respect and video your phone? Stop your gabbering and get to it! Put up or shut up! its not difficult to do.
Answer this why do the phones say AT&T on them?? WHY not WOW.??
EVIL Georgeo,
A little harsh, but I do understand where you are coming from.
I think the issue we are seeing with everyone using AA&T or T-Mobile phones is the fact some of these new companies are not selling phones as we are use to seeing. They are just selling custom SIm Chips.
Now, most folks know I am not an expert on the Technology side of this new niche. But, from reading over everything written on this site, and talking to both Corporate and Field leaders, I think I am getting a little better grip on it.
It one of the companies can get enough momentum we might see custom phones soon.
Never Give Up,
Troy
Are you kidding me Troy? A video ? This clown is not gonna believe anything (he will say the video is a fake) and will ALWAYS have an excuse! I offer to speak with anyone who does not have an agenda and is rational. I offer for people to use my phone. Then we agree to send you (Troy) a phone to test and see for yourself. I say again, lots of Talkers and no Takers. Why does he hide so no one can contact him? I'm done trying to educate here. Just pay attention to those around you as more and more people USE Wow mobile phones,Wow mobile service, refer 3 and its Free, and make great money. Good Luck to the rational people in whatever they choose…
Georgeo,
I could just picture your face!
II am waiting for my phone and I hope it shows up today. However, to date, nothing even after I was asked for my address.
The technology is new to the MLM arena, when the last of understanding on how it all works goes away, more and more folks will realize it has been here all along, just most folks were not using it.
Never Give up,
Troy
My dear Troy,
Your last sentence is true about FDI and Televerus but not so for Liberty/WOW Mobile.
We have been using Voip over WiFi (what they just launched) for over a year and a half now through our Global FREEdom Phone Network. We have even been using VoIp over WiMax since Oct 2008. WOW Mobile is a whole different ball game. I would love to have a chat about it and explain what the difference is and why the differences are so important. I am pretty good at explaining this stuff especially to people who are not familiar with the technology.
Karla,
This sounds very interesting. I am looking forward to chatting with you.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
I have joined televerus and already have a phone. I joined GV and after 7 months, I had nothing to show for it. I even spoke with the president of the company multiple times and he kept promising that the phone would be here any day. Well, I've been out of that company now for two months and still have not seen a phone.
I have been in the wireless industry for several years and was very passionate about the idea of being able to market cell phones and earn residual income. I have research them all and I believe televerus is going to be a winner. We are on the fore-front of the future of wireless phone technology. I don't want to spam at all but I did make a short video doing a phone demonstration so you can all see for yourself. I'm sure many of you are skeptical.
Patrick,
I am one of those skeptics. However, the reason I am skeptic is not because I don't think the technology works, it's because I think most MLMers will not take the time to understand the technology and they will over hype what their company is offering.
Plus I am still concerned with the security and privacy of using a cell phone over open networks.
With that aside I am impressed with Televerus, and the way they have moved fast.
Never Give Up,
Troy
I am probably the most skeptical of all people. I am a research maniac. You are so very right about peple not taking the time to understand the technology and all the over hype but there is also another threat…
understanding the technology that onecomapny is launching and not comparing apples to apples… For example… I see many people comparing a few companies and products as if they are all launching the same thing. This is a big mistake. Not understanding the different technologies chosen by each of the companies will definately hurt them in the long run especially those who are looking to build a long lasting sustainable residual income.
If they do not know what they have in their hands (Reps) or what hey can get their hands on (prospects) they could be missing a very good opportunity. This area of netowrk marketing is about to become highly competitive you want to make sure you choose the right company leveraging the right product/technology.
Don't be perplexed! Do your due diligence– the ride that your missing is called 4G. Simply, it means ALL cell phone providers e.g., Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, etc… are moving to the 4G network specification. WOW Mobile is delivering state-of-the-art touch screen Google G2 (aka ."MyTouch") phones driven by the open mobile operating system Android. Every mobile phone on the planet will have an IP address and conversations will be over VoIP for everyone! This opportunity is about that excitement!
Consider this. When you connect your computer to the Internet you don't have to worry about whether you are using a Dell or Gateway. The Internet is just there regardless if you are using Comcast or another ISP. Currently, there are relationships between cell phone manufacturers and providers that bind them using hardware. That is why you cannot use phones on different providers. Why should mobile access to the Internet be any different! That's what WOW Mobile deliver on that vision and much more. It leverages that fact that all mobile phones will be 4G IP-based. Research the technology. I have 20+ years in my field also– software engineering and technology.
JoinWOWMobile,
4G is just a marketing term, first coined by Sprint, in their marketing in June. However, to date there is not one wireless company who even offers a nationwide 3G service. So, I find it very interesting that like Zer01 and Buzzirk with their 5G, you are promoting a 4G.
And if we take away the marketing hype, there is not one wireless company with full compatibility to the 1900 or 2100 band either, which is where the 4G and 5G will be transmitting.
If you have more current info, please provide links to it.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Incidentally, T-Mobile offers 3G. WOW Mobile is offer VoIP in preparation for 4G. Verizon already has stipulated that all new phones on it's network be 4G ready. What do you think is gonna happen in 2010? Hmmm
JoinWOWMobile,
I find this funny. NONE of the big four wireless companies even have a nationwide 3G speed. SPRINT was the first company to use the marketing term 4G and none of them are compatable for the 1900 or 2100 bands which is where the 4G & 5G speed will be coming from.
If you can show me 3rd party current stats which state otherwise I will sure post it.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
You find this humorous because you are lacking information about what 4G is– it is first and foremost a "wireless communication standard" rather than a marketing term. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G for information on WiMax and LTE.
WOW Mobile embraces mobile VoIP which without a doubt is the future of wireless. 4G mandates IPV6. If you do not understand. Research IPV6 and place that information within the context of mobile VoIP.
WOW Mobile's excitement about the first opportunity where mobile VoIP is approaching it's intention.
Here are some 3G tests from June 2009: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/25/speed-test-compari…
Hope this helps.
JoinWOWMobile,
First let me say "thank you" for stopping back by. I think out conversation will allow folks to seperate the HYPE from facts.
Let's take me questions and remarks, and the answers you gave and go through them one at a time.
1. 4G as a marketing term. You state it is not a marketing term at this time and provide a short but great article on 4G technology. However, as the article states, and as I said. There is know 4G technology at this time. So as of right now quoting anything about 4G and how WOW is the 4G company is ALL marketing. In 2006 Sprint announced they would invest $3 billion into building a WiMAX 4G network (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081406-spri… and last month Verizon became the first of the big four to actually start testing in two cities Boston and Seattle. (http://hothardware.com/News/Verizon-Wireless-Anno… What I found most interesting about this article is the fact Verizon has not even decided what to charge for the service.
2. In 1998 IPv6 was first introduced (which by the way Verizon made clear in June, all Appliances using their 4G would have to meet), yet as of the writing of this comment, is not out of final testing, and not close to becoming the accepted standard. So, even those you give a great article on the speed of current 3G phones (not 3G service) which are two different issues. You can have a fast 3G phone which the iPhone happens to be, and yet, when it is not on a 3G service the speed doesn't matter. Nor are all 3G services the same speed. Here is a great study done by Google on what I am referring http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57/present…
3. So, even though you make a great case for IPv6, it is still way to early, and based on this article, the USA is not evenin the top five countries using IPv6 as a standard. As a matter of fact we can thank Apple for even getting this much attention on the subject http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/11/google-…
4. What this does show, is every MLM Wireless company who has launched in the last 12 months has a great opportunity to grab some market share.
5. By the way India was the first county to announce this year a major push towards IPv6, whihc just happens to be one of the huge areas FDI International has service and reps through GI Connect. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS1…
6. Now the IPv6 is not without critics, and although David Bernstein wrote this thesis in 2002, it still has merit, and shows why it has taken this long to get this far with IPv6. http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
7. Here is an article written earlier this year which talks about the 3G speeds and how they fluctuate between companies. Which again causes me to wonder how anyone really thinks we're close to a nationwide 4G system. http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/engadget-labs-… I still stand by my statment at this time 4G is a marketing term, and not a true reality.
8. Going back to the Google reports and the fact the report was clear Apple was the catalyst for companies focusing on IPv6 in the USA. Read this report from AT&T Apples service provider http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-netwo… AT&T owns more towers than anyone else, and even they are not close to where they need to be.
JoinWOWMobile, I don't know much about cell phones, but I do have a little knowledge of Internet issues. I agree things are wide open and all of you folks have an opportunity to do one of two things…
You can continue to challenge each other about who has the bigger… Or you can go build a business!
If the big four have been able to carve our tens of millions of customers each (and none of our USA based companies are even the biggest in the world), then I am pretty sure, a few MLM wireless companies can do the same.
As a matter of fact in reviewing comments over the last few weeks, the two companies who seems to be training their reps how to do it right are ZurVita and TriVerus.
You bring up great points, and I have no doubt, you will rock and lead at WOW! You truly have my respect!!! PLease keep me posted.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
I am not interested in semantics. Essentially the next evolution in mobile technology call it 3G, 3GPP, LTE, WiMAX or something else is not as important as the evolution itself. It is fair statement to say that IPv4 addresses will expire within the next 2 years:
http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/09/2010-coul…
Scaling IPv4 to IPv6 or reclaiming holds on IPv4 blocks e.g., Hewlett Packard are only buy us a little more time. Within the explosion the mobile Internet. We collectively have to make strides to migrate to VoIP. All mobile will be using VoIP in the future! Liberty is positioning themselves for thiis inevitable transition. Any opportunity to prepare as WOW Mobile is doing, is being recognized by Liberty Reps as truly an amazing opportunity for success, growth and innovation.
JoinWowMobile,
LOL… We're not talking semantics, we're talking about creating the future. Now are you going to keep talking about what you think you know, like the folks in 1999 when the world was coming to an end with Y2K, or are you going to go build your WOW Business?
You can't build it, dogging everyone else. Every company in the last 12 months are building a wireless business surrounding IPv6, so join in. And since the USA is the last frontier you fold had better get rolling.
It has been fun!!!
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Here is the excepts from Verizon: http://www.fix6.net/archives/2009/06/09/verizon-m…
WOW MOBILE PHONE DEMO:
http://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/GLOBALREP
JOIN WOW'S LEADING TEAM TODAY:
Market the best Phone/Plan/Comm …. Wow Mobile has it all ! Refer 3 = FREE & NO AUTOSHIP!, Troy free phone service & no autoship = Huge savings for the masses. True unlimited plan, "unlimited Data", 50 Countries and counting, Wi-Fi to computer (no teathering cord), 10 yrs old Telecom (established), touchscreen phones (the google Mytouch is the best in the market ), get paid weekly 100% on your team efforts + more $100, $300, $1000 fast starts…So much more. Troy this the force to be reckoned with, when you get your phone…tell us what you think, also go to the website http://WWW.GOWOWMOBILE.INFO and click on the webinar link and register to get more info. Folks do diligence…check it out and you will be impressed. No ones going to quit FREE. Wow is the leader. Its early days so join now. We will help you all the way. Wish you the best out there. Regards: Liberty IR
MLM Phones,
Well, at first I was going to email and ask you to use a different YouTube video, but decided, this is the one you like so we'll leave it.
I am waiting on a WOW Phone, and when it comes I will use the service and write an article on my experience. My hat is off to WOW because they are the only company who has a corporate or field leader who has been willing to let me test the service.
I am truly excited about this opportunity, because I beleive there is nothing like first hand experience.
Also, I would love a WOW rep to send me information on the compensation plan to review.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Troy,
Watch two laptops surfing the Internet in a moving vehicle using a WOW Mobile Google G2 phone casting a wireless connection!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWgic1dyhBE
JoinWOWMobile,
Seriously my friend, you really need to give me a name to use. This writing "JoinWOWMObile" is so impersonal. But… This was a great video example of the service.
For those who may still be looking the MLM wireless side of things over, can you give a little more detail for folks.
1. Was the WiFi service in the video connecting to a passing Hot Spot?
2. Since the phone is acting as the WiFi application for the laptop in the car, if an unsecured (public) WiFi network was being used, what type of security is on the phone to keep hackers from doing their own Drive By and stealing the data off the phone?
Again, I really think the video rocks. It gave a short but good view of the speed.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Hi Troy!
I was not involved in this video but I use the wireless tehcering on my wowmobile to power my laptop with intenet while in teh passenger's seat of a moving vehicle. The intenet signal comes from the phone service itself and not WiFi spots.The wifi signal can be left unsecured or secured, you can "see" if anyone else has connected to your internet access, and set permisions or block.
Can you explain something? In the video he says "this isn't T-Mobile" but on the top of his Google Phone it says "T-Mobile."
How do we know that this is WOW service? This person obviously ordered the phone through T-Mobile and not WOW (since it says T-Mobile on it).
Please explain.
WOW?
I can't explain all of it. But from what little knowledge I have gained from researching, listening and watching all the companies. It seems you can use your regular phone (T-Mobile) on any of these WiFi sim card systems.
Lord knows I can be wrong.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
We order our Wow mobile phones (Google1 and "My touch" so far) through reps (Liberty International). Do ya think if what we do is so easy as to change just change out a simcard, don't ya think that everyone would be doing it by now? Isn't it interesting that we have an agreement with a tier one provider? (Pause here ) If people really don't believe or they REALLY want to see if it works, get off the couch and either contact a rep to see the phone in action or go order one (with Wow mobile service) off a site. My Phone AND service work fine. Respectfully, Georgeo e-mail: Wowmobilefree@gmail.com ………If you want help ordering. (it is a little tedious)
Georgeo,
Thank you for correcting me on this issue. As you know I am still working through all this technology stuff
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Georgeo,
I understand your explanations thus far, but if the PRIMARY aim of the service is to SELL phones and service, why is it so DIFFICULT to order that one has to be walked through the process. A simple BUY NOW button suffices on most every other website in the world. Based upon what I have seen thus far, the process looks to be 90% recruiting and 10% actual product. If one was in the BUSINESS of selling a product, the tools should be there to actually SELL the product to a customer who wishes to buy it.
Hi Rod, The great thing about this country is our abillty to choose…If I was king, I might do it differently. I'm not. The Owner, (who has spent $$$$$$ dollars with His company. gets to do it His way.) It can be difficult, (ordering the service) especially if one has little patience…I again offer to help anyone through the process. Remember, since we get paid when we sell our products and services, you go through a rep to buy anything anyway, so if you need a little help to navigate the site, we will gladly help you! ( Actually, since we are making a commission from your purchase, it is kinda our duty to help you. Georgeo
Forgive me…I just wanted to add.that in my previous post I said we all have the ability to choose. You could choose to keep PAYING your cell phone bill evey month, because the larger companies love when you do that, AND it is soo convenient, or you could "refer 3 and it's free! WoWmobileWorld.com
When are people going to realize this is just another scam by Randy Jeffers… Just like all his previous scams.
Sure basic service may work, but is there a $1800 buy in like with his VOIP video phones? It feeds on greed of people! Ever go to a presentation and notice that they are pushing buy in not services and half the idiots don't even know what they are trying to sell.
It's a shame companies like this are allowed to operate.
Now Wake Up,
I know how you feel. But one of our community members has reminded me "people change, and deserve second chances." Which is why I am watching what is going on.
If you hear of anything new please come post it here.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
I'm concerned here. It's a lot of good companies in the industry and then there are the questionable ones. I assume that the reps in Wow are turning the cheek because you refer 3 and yours if free. I see how this is possible. When you sign up you have the following to select from to get started. I have to split the info
*Liberty Business Suite (Preferred Customer)
Maximum possible commissions / day: $3500
*Global Freedom Phone Service (1 month FREE)
0 BC 0 $24.95
"Basic" Business Builder Pack includes:
Maximum possible commissions / day: $4100
*Liberty Business Suite plus
*"Personal Gateway" Website – Monthly Subscription
Super Saver Website (3 months)
Health/Nutrition Website (3 months)
Global FREEdom Phone Website (3 months)
*Global Freedom Phone Service (1 month FREE)
e-Media Kit – (3 months)
All one-time service activation fees
1 BC 1000 $199.00
Part two
"Advanced" Business Builder Pack includes:
Maximum possible commissions / day: $5300
Liberty Business Suite plus
*"Personal Gateway" Website – Monthly Subscription
Super Saver Website – 1 Year Subscription
Health/Nutrition Website – 1 Year Subscription
Global FREEdom Phone Website – 1 Year Subscription
*Global Freedom Phone Service (1 month FREE)
Global FREEdom Phone Equipment – $10 Instant Rebate
e-Media Kit – 1 Year Subscription
ART – Auto-Response Terminal (1/yr)
All one-time service activation fees
3 BC 3000 $599.00
"Accelerated Progression" Business Builder Pack includes:
Maximum possible commissions / day: $7700
Part three
Liberty Business Suite plus
*"Personal Gateway" Website – Monthly Subscription
Super Saver Website – No Monthly Subscription
Health/Nutrition Website – No Monthly Subscription
Global FREEdom Phone Website – No Monthly Subscription
*Global Freedom Phone Service (1 month FREE)
Global FREEdom Phone Equipment – $50 Instant Rebate
e-Media Kit – No Monthly Subscription
ART – Auto-Response Terminal – No Monthly Subscription
All one-time service activation fees
7 BC 7000 $1699.00
I read the comp plan and the payout is not even close to what their pulling in.
You be the judge – https://www.libertyinternational.net/Compensation…
Liberty has been running a tight ship 10 years, pays weekly, incredible customer service, fantastic products and plans. Randy paid out many big comm back in the 90's and the competition did not like it…boo hoo, all was well after understanding and the Reps got paid…this was not a scam.
Its was the competition trying to pick apart the comp plan, and cause trouble. The same people today…other companies, mlm's going for the same market share…they even leave links to their so called better phone / plan.
If its a Wi-Max phone forget it…it wont work out of a hot spot/city/starbucks… if you keep paying for monthly service after 3 rep/customers …forget it you are getting ripped off x 12
(Phone Service:$79.95 x 12 = $959.40 + Autoship:$39.95 x 12 = $479.40 + $959.40 = a whopping $1,438.80 a year!!!) , if they are charging you back office fees, web site fees autoship, now you are getting scammed.
Folks $1,438.80 saved year after year is your retirement…why pay for a junk phone (nokia), work hard for a bad company who takes your money when you can save money with Liberty and have FREE WOW Mobile Phone service…Now go tout that FREE phone at your buddies on friday night…FREE! does you buddy have bills?, kids?, College? Car Payments? Mtg?. So why ask him to join a company that is not FREE. go to the http://www.gowowmobile.info website and see for your self. Its REAL, IT WORKS, and watch all your friends sign up in a heartbeat, Please put down that wheelbarrow full of rocks and get in the Ferrari. Wish you all the best, and get the best for all !
So Troy, surely by now you received the phone and have activated it. How's the service?
Can we get unlimited data plan from any cell company yet?
So Troy, how's the awesome phone working out for ya?
WOW,
I still have not received a phone. The first thing I did when I got back into town last weekend was run by the post office to pick it up… No Phone.
As soon as one shows up I will sure be posting on it.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Do you honestly you're going to get one?
WOW,
I was really hoping I would get a phone. And I did not care which company sent me one, I just wanted someone to step forward. So when it looked like someone had stepped up to the plate I was excited.
So far we have only been able to post on the business model of the wireless companies and I thought this would be a great way to post on the technology first hand.
Well, I guess not.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Troy,
I am sorry for your my Touch phone order taking this long. You should have received it by now. Did the rep give you a tracking ID? Get back with him to track it for you or if you have the tracking ID I will be happy to locate your order. Via me at; RLP.Marketing.Inc@gmail.com. You can also call or email Liberty International at 415-329-1000 or cs@libertyinternational.net to have them give you details of your order.
Respectfully Yours,
Rick
Hello, I'm a owner of a Wireless store in Albuquerque, NM and was visted by a Wow Mobile representative and was interested in the service but the more I talked to the representative the more I realized something was not right. Although it sounds exciting especially when you think of all the money you can make by receiving commissions on your downline there is so much more to the wireless industry then what the representative was able to explain to me. I thought it was very unusual that he had a T-Mobile phone and a T-Mobile sims card. I also noticed his brochures and presentation was cheap looking for such a company he was representing.
Liliana,
Wow Mobile has contracts with T-Mobile. They allow us to use their towers. T-Mobile is very happy with us, we are creating them business on their broadband . We, us reps, are the advertisers and marketers for Wow Mobile. It depends on how well he is train by his upline and how well he designs his material and presents it to you. I believe in branding the product to have a heart catching and knowledgeable appeal. You can reach me at RLP.Marketing.Inc@gmail.com if there or any questions.
Respectfully yours,
Ricky
Hi Liliana!
I don't knwo who visited you but do not prejudge the rep that showed you the phone. Tmobile is our 1st Tier 1 provider, yes the phones say that and yes the sim cards are provided to us by the but all programming is done by our engineers. They are the 1st ones we rolled out our soft launch with. More providers coming soon but make no mistake these phones/functions and technologies cannot be acquired directly with Tmobile or AT&T. If you have questions that need answering I am here. I am convinced you will love this business, of course if you decide to move forward you should still start your business through the person who showed you the phones. It's all about integrity and respecting everyone's efforts. Let's celebrate that persons initiative to contact you and present the opportunity. You will still receive support and guidance form other reps in the company.
As a neutral party I can appreciate both sides of the fence. I have seen all these companies and experienced the shortcomings and successes of the different offers. Wow mobile has delivered a useable phone as seen first hand by me holding and calling off a friends phone. I still am investigating the Liberty offer. Does anyone know of a useable cell phone service at around $79/mo that offers unlimited everything without a contract? I am looking for cell phone service.
Tman,
What you are holding in your hand is the first mobile that is able to go VOIP. This means bare to none dropped calls, conversations will sound if you were on a land line. All of Japan has gone VOIP! For the technology, service and price the competition has its match. You can reach at RLP.Marketing.Inc@gmail.com if there are any questions.
Respectfully yours,
Rick
yeah boost mobile…unlimited everything for 50 bucks a month
Check this out!!!
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=800970
Rick,
I have not been given anything. I was told I would receive a phone ASAP, and now 30 to 45 days later, I have not received anything. I really saw this as a way to test the technology, and see first hand all the excitement.
So, since I still do not have a phone, I will stay out of the tech side of things until we have finished our research from the security side. And if someone decided to send me a phone from their company to test we will gladly test the phone and give our review.
As for contacting Liberty, I would have no clue what to say. I do not have any information of the order outside of being told I was getting a phone.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
I to find myself with a scam on my hands! I ordered the sim chip almost two months ago and still no product. Liberty International as hit my checking account twice…..once for 118.00 then again for 29.95. I have tried to contact customer service several times but no reply or answers. My husband is active duty military and it seems Liberty is targeting our military members. I would very much like to bring this company down for harm being directed as our military forces. If you have any knowledge of a class action law suit please share and I will do all in my power to help get the word out. Thanks for your help.
Wendy Greene,
I do not think you have a scam on your hands. I do think you are with a company who is going through some growing pains, as I mentioned in my latest article. Let me ask a few questions to help you out.
1. Have you talked with your upline about your situation? You need to realize your upline has earned good money to sponsor you into WOW aka Liberty and they need to earn their commission.
2. Have you logged into the back office and listened to the training calls to fully understand what has been happening at WOW?
I do not think Randy or the company is “targeting” our Troops, for any unethical reasons. They are doing what so many other companies are doing… Supporting the troops. As a former Marine I do praise them for helping trops and their families get some type of business rolling, since the Government will not give our military the raise they so rightfully deserve.
If you would like help on this issue. send me a private email offiline to TroyDooly@MLMHelpDesk.com giving me the whole back story and your ID number for Liberty, and I will take this to the top.
Living An EPic Adventure,
Troy
Yes there are a ton of these videos. I know the first person to make one of these recordings was Charlie Williams. http://getwowmobil.com/?page_id=2
I have a video of us opening the box and making the 1st call on the 1st WOW Mobile device in the field back on Aug 15th.
I don't know if this question has been answer by anyone, but looking at it from a layman's view, if everyone is getting free service by referring 3 and so forth. how is Liberty going to have the revenue to pay the downline their commissions?
Hi Chase & Troy,
I need to step in here a minute and clear this one up becaue it is a BIGGIE!
I know in this industry when someone says "you get your (product/service) FREE they really should say "as if it were FREE' becasue what they should really say "It's a wash once you receive enough commissions to cover your costs.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH LIBERTY/WOW MOBILE!
*** When we say Refer 3, Your's is FREE! We mean FREE! You will not be charged a cent for it.
Karla,
This is exactly what we did at ProSTEP. I have folks who had not paid for their services with us for years, because they had sponsored three people who stayed on the services. In thousands of cases we had folks earning a few dollars a monthly above and beyond their monthly autoship to over $80K per month.
Most companies do not do it this way any longer, because they want to use the float to earn additional interest.
This is good to know.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
It is an incredible markeitng strategya nd retention strategy. I have received FREE products and services on autoship for years and I can't see it any other way. I guess I have been pretty spoiled!
But if you spend three months waiting to get a sim card you cant make any money only spend it, this is a scam pure and simple I have been cheated and am going to the states attorneys office for fraud and interstate theft. i want someone to go to Jail. They are lying and cheating.
T.M Newberry,
I can see your frustration. However, I do have a few questions.
1. Couldn’t you market some of the other products or services offered by Liberty?
2. Could recruiting while you are waiting be seen the same as finding resellers of Microsoft Windows before it was ready to launch?
3. Don’t you think T-Mobile should also be held responsible for some of these issues?
I am not sure the State AGs will see this as a scam, since WOW is only a division of the company you joined.
this is a BIgg scam you ppl should be a shame of your selves you took money from ppl who had worked real hard to get it all # s you ported to t-mobile were lost my number and my wifes you guys took out money on the 7th and cut my line and my wifes 5 days later and now you still over draft my bank account by taking out a 30 dollar charge when i dont even have my number anymore you ppl are scaming folks Tony denali, mike, jose rivera all who pushed this horrible way of taking ppl’s money WOW MOBILE AND RANDY JEFFERS ARE SCAMING PPL ALL OVER TAMPA FL, IF ANYBODY KNOWS HOW I CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PLEASE POST IT HERE SO OTHER PPL CAN GET THIER MONEY BACK IF NOT MAYBE TAKE LEGAL STEPS!!!!!!! DONT TRUST WOW DONT TRUST RANDY JEFFERS OR ANY OTHER PERSON I HAVE LISTED HERE
Liberty International's Unique Marketing Strategy… Refer 3, Your's is FREE!
How does it work? Your WOW Mobile service is included as an item on autoship (monthly pre-programmed order). Every month on the same day of the month your autoship will process but before doing so the system checks every Item # on your order and searches within your personally sponsored reps to find it there 3 people (Reps or Customers) who recieved the same Item # on their autoship within the last 30 days. If it finds 3 or more people then the order processes without charging you a cent. This applies to ALL our products (Health and Wellness, Fundraising, Global FREEdom phone, WOW Mobile) all can be acquired for FREE every month once you have 3 directly sponsored Reps or Customers consuming that same product or service. FREE AUTOSHIP. You will receive your full commission on the item, as will your sponsor and everyone upline to you.
This is where unlimited depth comes in handy. It does this every month with every Item # on your autoship!
Now check this out… ALL our customers can benefit from the 3 = FREE program. In Liberty our customers really do become your sales force… and that is why they can also accumulate commissions and be pleasantly suprised with a check in the mail once in a while too.
So now you can see how this Marketign Strategy has a built in retention startegy too! Why would your consumers go anywhere else when they can have their product or service for FREE!
Once someone gets a taste of $0.00 on their order for whatever service or product they ordered, they become even more excited then they were when they were paying for it and there is nothing like printing out that $0.00 charged order and showing it to someone as proof except maybe cashing some checks
Karla,
I would love to dig into this a little deeper offline. But before we do, please send me a PDF of your compensation plan with complete details, not just a marketing overview. Randy and I did not get into this subject yesterday because of pressing priorities on both out parts.
However, from reading what you just wrote, I may want to use Liberty's compensation plan in our continuing series on Compensation Plans. We used a "3 & Free" compensation plan when I ran ProSTEP and it was great for the part-time distributor, who was more focused on the product and services than making huge money.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Chase,
3 for Free is not an issue. Everyone is still paying for their service, it's just a wash with the commissions they receive back.
Karla,
So if I am sitting at Starbucks and use their WiFi (which is unsecured) then there is a possibility the data on my WOW mobile phone or any other WiFi phone (I do not have one, this is an example), would be vulnerable to cyber-criminals?
On the other hand if I understand correctly, if I am using my phone to connect my computer to the internet and have my computer security active and up to date, my computer data should be safe?
If I have them wrong please correct me.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
I am a rep for WOW Mobile. The phone service is great and the checks are sent weekly. I was in the GV whirlwind and swore I wouldn't fall that hard again. Well, that changed when I saw it in action, this is real. There is a very nice website that helps market the service, check this site out. http://www.wowmobilecellular.com
Troy,
Want to give you a little tech update. Now I talked to Randy on Wednesday evening and he told me that Karla had arranged a call between you and him yesterday. I am not sure if that was done but I want to share my experience with the WOW service and debunk these "Myths" about any other wireless telecomm service on the market today.
First off until last Monday the WOW mobile service in other then a 3G area was unacceptable. This is why I told you we needed to wait to send you a phone, which I understand from Randy was going to be sent to you last week, to use. As of Monday WOW mobile can now provide a TRULY wireless phone able to produce a call of exceptional quality on EDGE or GPRS that is better then any land VoIP or digital phone I have heard. If anyone wants to hear the quality on Edge, Voip over 3G is simple folks more on that in a sec, please feel free to call me at 503-583-3336. This is my WOW number.
Lets be go back to my "simple" statement. 3G produces high speeds( Cellular downloads up to 1.5 Mbps and uploads to 350k kbps +) Traditional VoIP needs 200 k minimum upload to have voice call quality. Anything lower and the voice will be gabbled, delayed, and a host of other non conforming quality standards. So 3G can run a VoIP call most of the time very well BUT most people who use cell phones do not live or at least move form 3G to Edge and back in their daily lives. So as of last week the Amazing engineers at WOW mobile have been able to provide exception voice call quality on speeds between 6-16kbps (EDGE and GPRS speeds). This, as far as I am aware, has NEVER been done before.
So is WOW perfect yet. No it is not but Troy we are 95% done in having the finest Wireless service in the nation. What needs to be finished now is some fine tuning. This fine tuning is a combination of tweaking the software to purr along with working with Engineers from our Teir 1 providers ( note plural) to sync network with technology. That being the case let me share what I have personally experienced this week with my WOW mobile phone.
Last week I came up to Canada to visit family. At that time when I crossed the border I could not make or receive a call on the Edge network up here (Rogers Wireless). As of Monday my inbound calls are better then any digital, voip or standard land line I have ever used. Now get this. I decided to test the quality so yesterday I had my WOW partner call me when I was driving. I intentional drove to an area where I knew both Rogers and Telus (GSM and CDMA carriers here) had the almost impossible task of maintaining a call. When I reached the spot by the airport where the calls drop and are sketchy at best I found that my phone was on 1 bar and there was only a 2 second crackle on the call I was having with my partner in Spokane, Wa. This call lasted 25 minutes without any diminished quality. The Engineers had told us that when the upgrade was done we would probably experience better call quality then the our regular cell phone and I can tell you thy where BANG ON with this statement.
Now technically WOW is not even suppose to work in Canada YET but I am using it every single day.
So as WOW is a company that does not hide behind Hype and BS, which is so refreshing to see compared to the rest of the wanabee Hypster Telecom companies parading around today, there are a few issues to resolve. If I try and make a call out, remember I am in Canada so it is not suppose to work, I cannot complete a call with less then 3 bars. (receive is a none issue). When I do connect with 3 to 4 bars the quality is what I would say is acceptable but not excellent compared to inbound calls. Again this just a matter of "tuning" and I have not the slightest bit of doubt that the WOW Mobile engineers will have this worked out very soon.
Troy, WOW Mobile deserves respect and most of all Randy Deserves respect for what this man has been able to do thus far. First off he has a 10 year old company that has paid it's reps every week since. Also do you have any clue what he does behind the scenes no matter if he is a preacher, minister, Buddhas monk his heart is in the right place. Have a look at what this man is doing PERSONALLY to help others in this world – http://libertykidz.org We are so quick to criticism but fall so short to stand in judgment of our own deeds or for that matter LACK of deeds considering we live in one of the most abundant nations in the world.
Let me share something about a word I hold as the single greatest ideology especially in this industry. Integrity. In a conversation I had with Randy prior to my involvement with WOW he told me this. If you want perfect then don't join and get back to us in 6 months. But if you are willing to take a few bumps and bruises along with us you will be justly rewarded. I have NEVER had any owner even remotely present an OUT from the get go. All I have ever heard was that this or that company was the best thing since the "invention" of water and that we where ALL going to make millions.
Continued on next post…
in2WOW,
This is a great post. Randy and I are both pretty busy the next few days, but we have connected and are scheduling a call where we can relax ans take our time.
I want to thank you for always being so professional and sharing such great insight into this issue.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
Troy if WOW Mobile does NOT, after you use the phone, talk to Randy and truly investigate the company, make you change your post from SCAM to front page Legitimate company offering Liberty a rating of Solid, legitimate, and a FOR the reps company I will lose complete faith and respect for you and leg